letz talk abt gucci mane

but of course. lotsa people will love it.

fairly certain i wont like this

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13793-the-burrprint-the-movie-3-d-the-state-vs-radric-davis/

― samosa gibreel

good review.

― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej)

Not bad, he's decent on it being a tough sell 'til it gives up its pleasures and what those pleasures are. would nitpick about

And with Gucci, there's also a sense of shared experience. People are listening to this guy; he's not just another voice in the internet echo chamber.

This idea smacks more of the rap writers echo chamber. "internet" rappers with 100,000 downloads are also a shared experience. Also no one i've read has done a really good job explaining why this merits a paragraph. this ties into considerations of matt's "old or new music" question that got bumped recently. also XXL or film columns publishing first week numbers, like who gives a fuck and why exactly? how important is it that the music become part of the pop culture, besides being easier to sell pieces on it?

He's found his audience by elevating ignorance to expertly absurdist art

gonna come out and call this flat out wrong, or at least not as true as saying like rapreviews did that he's built his buzz post-"So Icey" by killing guys and beating the case/beefing with jeezy.

Of course, the album came out when Gucci was back in prison and sold way fewer copies than expected.

it's dishonest to connect these.

Gucci's detractors took the opportunity to declare his regional stardom a grand illusion. Those detractors should [not detract but realize he's dope

a point nothing to do with the shared experience point these particular detractors are attempting to weaken, the one already he gave a graf to.

also think he rated the album about ten per cent too highly. that, like me, he doesn't dig "the run of mid-album R&B tracks" i think shows grading on a curve and what a low bar we have for the rap album format these days.

He's found his audience by elevating ignorance to expertly absurdist art

i always thought deej was of the anti-"so the joke is this guy's retarded, right?" brigade

hes a gangster rapper of course hes promoting 'ignorance' at some level

i mean his hit single is called 'wasted' -- i think ppl just make a whole bunch of assumptions about what 'ignorance' actually means.

This idea smacks more of the rap writers echo chamber. "internet" rappers with 100,000 downloads are also a shared experience. Also no one i've read has done a really good job explaining why this merits a paragraph. this ties into considerations of matt's "old or new music" question that got bumped recently. also XXL or film columns publishing first week numbers, like who gives a fuck and why exactly? how important is it that the music become part of the pop culture, besides being easier to sell pieces on it?

i think the question of popularity is absolutely relevent to the discussion of an album, & a discussion about where a record's place is in the grand scheme of things

gonna come out and call this flat out wrong, or at least not as true as saying like rapreviews did that he's built his buzz post-"So Icey" by killing guys and beating the case/beefing with jeezy.

thats bullshit, his beef w/ jeezy & the murder case were in what, '05?? & his buzz only really started growing in mid-late 07, only really seemed noticeable a year after that.

it's dishonest to connect these.

a point nothing to do with the shared experience point these particular detractors are attempting to weaken, the one already he gave a graf to.

this is the problem of living w/out regulated measurements of sales though, right? his detractors are wrong, gucci's music has resonated w/ huge numbers of rap fans.

also think he rated the album about ten per cent too highly. that, like me, he doesn't dig "the run of mid-album R&B tracks" i think shows grading on a curve and what a low bar we have for the rap album format these days.

if you read his blog he actually does like the R&B tracks aside from spotlight, he just doesnt like their sequencing & how it slows down the record in the middle.

fucking brand nubian promoted 'ignorance' too, the problem is w/ ppl confusing style with substantive ideas -- gucci's style embraces 'uneducated' slang-y street dialect but that doesnt mean hes an ignorant person or that his ideas are any worse than lord jamars, which is kind of tom's point in bringing up 'worst enemy'

of course i also think the idea that records are any more/less consistent now than they were back when is a total fallacy

it's called "the best of the cold war mixtapes" but like half of it is from burrprint 3d and "photo shoot" is on it

also think he rated the album about ten per cent too highly. that, like me, he doesn't dig "the run of mid-album R&B tracks" i think shows grading on a curve and what a low bar we have for the rap album format these days.

rap reviews get systematically lower scores on pitchfork compared to other genres. it's a brilliantly produced album by one of the most exciting rappers around, with some questionable pacing and a dogshit lead single. i am sure there are billion of non-rap albums with imperfect pacing and a couple dud tracks that have scored at least ten per-cent higher than 8.0. the album's a pleasure to listen to, i think that counts for a lot.

i'm put you in the papaaaaaaaaaaaaa

yeah i just threw my personal opinion re rating in there as an aside to a nitpick, i wouldn't make too much out of a person's exact tally of their reaction unless there's some huge gulf.

not a lot wrong with what deej says in isolation, but not really responses to what i said.

lol..."free gucci mane. free boosie. keep lil wayne outta jail." also if anyone can tell me anything about the 25 different companies he shouts out at the end that would be nice

woulda liked to hear him flip the hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en2kNJfWBLs

he kinda glazes over it. good though

he basically recreates gucci's flow and verse from this song

http://1.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kw79twH8831qzw3gpo1_500.png

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool damn witches

i liked tom's review(s) a lot

except when he said on his blog that svrd isn't better than carter III

he said carter ii

word-- well i would agree with that but i think he means carter III anyway, cuz otherwise i don't understand the comparison at all.

well, in the pfork review he says it again

Like Wayne's Tha Carter II, it translates Gucci's mixtape triumphs into something more digestible and immediate.

this must be a mistake unless he's talking about the first dedication, but i mean obv the comparison would fit dedication 2 -> weezyana -> drought 3 -> carter III sessions -> carter III in terms of making wayne's mixtape triumphs more digestible and immediate

you right, iii makes way more sense wrt that sentence

it kind of seems like he's out to prove that he's listened to weezy albums before he was a phenomenon with white guys on the internet--i'm pretty sure he's spuriously referenced his "carter ii peak" in like every news item about lil wayne in the past 6 months.

well he was def one of the most vocal & visible voices when it came to 07/08 wayne

also here's a crazy thought maybe Tom actually does believe Carter 2 was his peak

i do too but if that's true then i don't think the analogy is really relevant-- i mean obviously wayne was putting out mixtapes before tha carter II but i don't think anyone at the time was viewing that album through the prism of his mixtapes (as opposed to tha carter or his younger cash money days) as everyone had no choice but to do w/ tha carter III or the state vs radric davis

i figured "tu casa, mi casa" was a bad sex jam so i put off listening to it but gucci's verse is sick!

mi casa so full a rastas

this song reminds me that a few days i was thinking about how "dey know" and "foolish" are two of the most improbable (near-)classic singles in recent memory considering how genuinely shitty shawty lo is as a rapper. easily my least favorite rapper who i still might be forced to listen to. does he have a song with a trey songz hook?

can't tell if this laconic horror beat makes nicki unbearable cuz she has to slow down her flow or if it kind of fits perfectly

i like nikki on this, boring yo gotti verse which probably would have saved the track as a whole for me. too bad cuz the hook is a classic too

yeah i need to download and clip it off so it goes chorus->gucci verse-> chorus

imo it needs verses by la the darkman and rock city

"mi casa, su casa" is amazing

shawty lo's verse! "shawty lo, call me escobaaaarrrrr"

ho-ly shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QblqvOGOHM

that's amazing

looool 1:35 is he saying "jort"? obv gucci reads ilx

LONG LIVE PHARRELL WILLIAMS

beat sounds like a lost track from 400 degreez

http://www.zshare.net/audio/71363278234666bc/

how many songs on this keyz to the city mixtape are old

that soldier song is pretty awesome

is it out? xp

http://rap-mixtapez.blogspot.com/2010/01/gucci-mane-young-jeezy-keyz-to-city.html

i recognize some of the track names but not all

lot of this is suspect

i keep a shooter with a ruger that'll put the metal to ya
wanna swim with the sharks, stringrays and barracudas?
black nikes on my feet so just do it, i'mma do ya
i jump out of the helicopter like a paratrooper
double deuce in my nike boots i'mma tell the truth
if you move ? from your crew, i'mma cock and shoot
balley bag full of stacks, louis bag full of thrax
gucci bag full of gats and i'mma aim for your hat
? competitors like predator take ? like skeletons?
you're ? gonna be therapy or medicine i'm tellin ya
you beef with brick squad then you better be intelligent
i'll send one for your men and i got ex-cons in connecticut
my bitches do not meddle and my niggas bring that metal in
and if i cannot catch him then i knock off one your relatives
better chill, better live, better than you'll ever live
when ya live in the everglades trying to get a deal, gucci.

the everglades & connecticut