US POLITICS: AMERICANS, PLEASE WELCOME YOUR NEW PRESIDENT... SCOTT BROWN!

Which might explain this.

silver, previous post:

Back in 2008, the smart liberal spin on "post-partisanship" -- one which I frankly bought into -- is that it was in part an effort to put a popular, centrist sheen on a relatively liberal agenda. Instead, as Leonhardt points out, what Obama has wound up with is an unpopular, liberal sheen on a relatively centrist agenda.

*facepalm*
i was wondering last year if the messaging about bringing so much change didn't.. make it easier to attack anything obama did as radical change, even if that was not at all the case

I blame Obama, the most popular man in the country, for leaving stewardship of healthcare legislation in the hands of the least popular folks in the country, the Congress.

"This time, Charlie Brown, I'll let you hit it!"

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(left: Democrats, right: Republicans)

i was wondering last year if the messaging about bringing so much change didn't.. make it easier to attack anything obama did as radical change, even if that was not at all the case

Which is why you ignore "messaging."

I blame Obama, the most popular man in the country, for leaving stewardship of healthcare legislation in the hands of the least popular folks in the country, the Congress.

― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

unfortunately that part of our constitution remains intact

Well the fact that he was so piss scared of what happened with Clintons involvement in the 90s that he went the opposite way and kinda stayed out of the whole drafting process.. Thats my beef.

kinda stayed out of the whole drafting process.

this isn't true either! numerous accounts show that in all the meetings to hash out language, WH bods like nancy ann deparle were there. what they gave up control on was the timing, which was left to all the committee chairs.

i think they wanted to give the public the impression they were being hands off and letting congress do its thing, and to do so they really did have to be more hands off than clinton was. but it's not a black and white kind of a thing

but how could it possibly have been otherwise? WH can't set congressional committee agendas

Im sure President Scott Brown will do a better job tho so Im not worried.

most of the millions of people mao killed were committee chairs. something to think about.

Think of the potential millions killed by death panels.

President Brown definitely has the finest cosmo body of any post-Kennedy president except for Obama imo

krugman weighs in

some douchebag at Brown's press conf today actually did ask if he was prez material

that's an odd interpretation of obama's statement tbh

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I don't know. I think the point that Krugman is making, and others have been making, is that in the absence of anyone with a spine in the democratic party, Obama needed to come out and make a STRONG argument for moving forward and passing this damn thing. Obama didn't throw in the towel, no, but he also didn't come close to making the sort of statement that could have rallied the troops.

Obama needed to be George Scott at the beginning of Patton, and instead he was like "let's just do what we can, not all of it so bad lol"

Obama Today: "Why you looka so sad/Itsa not so bad. . ."

massachusetts voters just expressed their will to elect a guy who explicitly said he'd vote against HCR - i think it's wise to let the dust settle before jumping in with "ignore these fucks"

I think it's a perfect interp of the Slickster's spin

seriously the amount of instant fanboi butthurt here is through the roof - what is up with josh marshall's one-line post about obama "throwing in the towel" on HCR?? maybe if he'd admonished me to "think about it" in a putative second sentence i'd know the answer??

I suppose it comes down to how much you think HCR took a hit over the past 24 hours, and how strong of a response was necessary to stabilize the situation. Marshall/Krugman/myself (I am the www's sixth most popular political blogger fyi) see a tailspin and an absence of leadership, so Obama's weak sauce statement was just another indicator that no one's really going to lead.

truth is, if obama has a political talent its letting the right tire itself out w/ self-congratulation for a news cycle, and then stepping forward and 'leading'

see also--jeremiah wright last year, hcr in august/sept

not that im saying thats what hes doing here

just that it would be a familiar strategy

"Obama needed to be George Scott at the beginning of Patton"

everyone needs to be more like that imho

paul krugman was at any point an Obama fanboi?!?

That's his thing, for sure, but I don't see how it works in this case. The best hope was to pass it in the House, but house dems are falling off like flies on the left. Trying to water it down AGAIN in the Senate for Snowe or Collins seems like the worst idea of all time. Would his plan be to wait 3 weeks, and then "lead" by signing a bill that just has the basic stuff that everyone agrees on - no more denying coverage for previous conditions, etc - but none of the (already watered down) more progressive elements that are sorely needed?

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haven't followed this too much (too depressing), but isn't this what happens with obama all the time? he absorbs hit-after-hit, is accused of being too soft, unable to counterpunch or attack and so forth. then, after the other side has "punched itself out," so to speak, he steps forward and delivers a speech that galvanizes support and rallies the troops. he did this in the primaries, the general election, the big speech in favor of the stimulus. i hope and assume he'll follow his pattern and do it again.

but who knows? maybe it will be pres. brown/vice president palin.

Seriously thought the first post would be Brown's centerfold picture from Cosmo

Sorry, I'm not trying to be dense, but what am I missing with how the "wait and the lead" approach can possibly work this time (see my post just above)? I'm probably just missing something really obvious, but I don't see how he ever gets back the house dem votes that he's losing now if he waits a few weeks.

he gave his big health care speech already! then the dems proceeded to waste more time and make more concessions to insurance companies/conservadems like lieberman and nelson, which depressed the hell out of the base, who rahm emanuel told to f*** off basically, which helped rally them no doubt

here ya go michael

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that picture is disturbing.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be dense, but what am I missing with how the "wait and the lead" approach can possibly work this time (see my post just above)? I'm probably just missing something really obvious, but I don't see how he ever gets back the house dem votes that he's losing now if he waits a few weeks.

― CATBEAST!! (Z S), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:12 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

IF this is the strategy hes playing hes not going to wait a few weeks, hell wait a few days

anyway i hope you guys all called your congressman today!

dont tell anyone but i called my congresswoman AND my old congressman

i live in the city of taxation-without-representation, my congresswoman can't even vote

one of my US senators (the guy running the DSCC) is at least mouthing the right words about fighting and shit. OTOH, he cut his teeth in Hudson County, NJ (a political sewer that even Clay Davis from The Wire would find too nasty).

my mom called - we are doomed

tidbits:

"hey that guy quit today (note: she's referring to the TSA nom) because he had such a shady past"
"well mom he was being held up by the GOP and.."
"oh no he wasn't"

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then, after the other side has "punched itself out," so to speak, he steps forward and delivers a speech that galvanizes support and rallies the troops

The State of the Union speech is in 1 week.

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sorry

THAT IS DISTURBING

politics is disturbing

lol Chuck Todd today made the same point: his WH sources told him that the Oval Office was going to let the right wing talk itself to death in the next couple of days before Obama swung into action on Friday or Monday.

WH sources have been in communication with me, too, which is how i know their strategy

Do the group of progressive house senators who made it clear today that they would not vote for the senate version of the bill know of his plan?

hey foreigners, congrats on what? we still got shit.

move over here then!

Resolved, motion carries:

US POLITICS: YOUR TWEETS ONSCREEN

can ppl try not to say the "move out of the country to the one you like!" thing like ignorant republicans do? thanks.

who is this babbling womb-goon?!?

lol!

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