US POLITICS: AMERICANS, PLEASE WELCOME YOUR NEW PRESIDENT... SCOTT BROWN!

omg that guy mitch emails me all the time

BACK OFF HE'S MINE

hands off pal

Yesterday's disappointing election results show deep discontent with the pace of change

^^ love this line btw, obamas facebook used it too

i mean how can you NOT be discontented with the pace of change

there is no american voter who is saying right now, "change is going at exactly the right pace"

it's like gw bush saying the 06 midterm results show the public desire for a stronger commitment in iraq

(sorta, as a political strategy)

kind of ambiguous, considering that one of the conservative/independent complaints about HCR (and other parts of obama's agenda) is: SLOW DOWN. (i think this is BS but hey maybe some of those grumpy independents got the email and were like, ok they get it! the pace of change has been too fast!)

yeah its ambiguity was my point

SLOW DOWN = "i don't have a legitimate complaint, please stall until everyone forgets what they were doing!"

it isn't intended to be ambiguous. it's intended to turn the focus away from democratic fumbling, ineffective leadership, distasteful horsetrading, etc., and make the debate about gop obstructionism.

Please slow down until the 2010 elections! thank you!

oh jeez guys i was just making a joke anyway

hahahahahahahahahaha

there is no american voter who is saying right now, "change is going at exactly the right pace"

I'm saying that, over and over like a mantra, but mainly just to piss max off

as mantras go it's pretty soothing tho tbh

xxxp
and make the debate about gop obstructionism.

it would be good if someone mentioned this in actual words though. republicans were doing shit like filibustering troop equipment bills in the senate to delay healthcare passing, they should be getting creamed.

ed rendell just told rachel maddow, look we don't NEED 60 votes to pass this thing, we need 51....maddow's like RIGHT ON.

Let's not forget this POS bill is not reform.

you just don't want me to be happy do you?

now that i can't have it i'm all like "daaaamn health care reform bill, have you been working out girl? we should grab a drink some nite this week"

ed rendell just told rachel maddow, look we don't NEED 60 votes to pass this thing, we need 51....maddow's like RIGHT ON.

Let's not forget this POS bill is not reform.

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:47 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Let's not forget this mediocre bill does more good than bad.

Whiney, a serious discuss of the relative merits of GAPDY has broken out in that poll thread you started

hahaha wrong thread. i should go to bed.

i must admit i was really curious to see what you'd posted here

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/gop-pollster-mass-results-not-a-referendum-on-obamas-overall-agenda/

The problem isn't that health-care reform itself is unpopular. It is that people are turned off by the current debate about it.

can't be said enough imo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/19/AR2010011902846.html

i.e. this is why you get polls asking people if they "are positive about health care reform" or some crap and they say no, leading to a spate of AP stories about how "support for reform is cratering" - no, people are just fed up with the pussyfooting and ass-mongering

and when i say "people" i mean all people, with no exceptions

I think people who are worried they're not gonna get paid as well after "reform" are pretty happy with the pussyfooting.

I would imagine the healthcare progressives (or the people across party lines who are like DID YOU HEAR US ASKING NO MORE LIKE TELLING YOU WE'RE FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION, YO) are sick and tired of seeing the perfect 60 majority being the enemy of the good 50+ support for PO/exchanges and it would be wise to say that a simple majority favours this approach. If that's the case they should just go for it and call the bluff on the filibuster, and yes I do recognise the dreaming in print aspect of wanting this to happen.

People who self-identify as Independents run the gamut from crazies with tea party signs to Reagan Democrats to people who just don't register for a party, and the main thing they have in common with the US left is that they think Wall Street is full of douchebags. Your normal person sees bailout to bonus types like the creep that borrows $100 from you when you don't really have it (but you lend anyway) and then when they're flush again, get very cavalier about paying it back even if they can see you're broke. People feel dissed, like you would in that situation.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/1/21/1264063602746/21.01.10-Steve-Bell-on-Sc-007.jpg

gail collins kind of entertaining:

Gradually, we are reaching a consensus that Coakley lost because the irritable voters wanted to send a message. Which was: change.

Change all over the place! Except apparently not in beating up the bankers, since the Democrat favored a tax on big banks to pay for the bailout and the Republican opposed it.

And not change that involves getting out of Afghanistan. That was Coakley’s idea. Brown wants to stay the course.

Stay the course, for sure. But stop spending so much money on the course. Cut the budget! Except when it comes to the troops, who need all the support we can give them. As Scott Brown kept pointing out.

Scott Brown has a truck. Maybe there could be more trucks.

collins has been on fire of late

i mean for a nyt columnist

Another Massachusetts Democrat, Rep. Stephen Lynch, also issued a warning Democrats against trying to duck the Brown result by having the House pass the Senate bill unchanged, thereby avoiding another Senate vote. "I don't hear a lot of support on our side for [the Senate] bill," he said. "The problem is that we are spending almost a trillion dollars and folks are telling me I should vote 'yes' and we will fix it later. You wouldn't buy a car for a trillion dollars and say, 'Yeah, it doesn't run but we will fix it later.'"

oh, good analogy

The problem isn't that health-care reform itself is unpopular. It is that people are turned off by the current debate about it.

Um, yes. Especially the ugly backroom vote-buying schemes and promise-breaking, non-televised dealmaking.

stephen lynch already voted for the health care bill. i dont see what he thinks is going to happen if he changes his mind and votes against a slightly worse version--people are going to realize he was against it all along?

cant believe obama has ushered in an era of back room vote-buying schemes

literally never happened before in the history of these united states

except that he specifically said he wouldn't do that. He said all the negotiations on HCR would be on C-SPAN. His words, not my expectations.

a politician breaking a promise

what would george washington think

hed probably kill himself

shorter Collins: "those dumb fuck voters! heh heh heh heh heh heh!"

glad youve been standing up for the lil guy recently tracer

?

i honestly have no idea what that means max :(

but for the record, gail collins is a supercilious nitwit who is so enraptured by her own place in versailles that she uses her "politics" column to alternately make fun of regular people and moan about how boring all discussion of policy is

lol i just meant thats the second time youve called out someone for being 'condescending' on these threads