People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

thank god you emerged unscathed from that anti-catholic endemic racism, must have been terrible for you!

oh look, I found a dickwad on the internet.

dude in basketball huddles when everyone's like 'forgive us our tresspasses' and you're all 'forgive us our debts' it can get pretty hairy

xp

? at my CofE schools we said trespasses

sure, but do you say pop or soda?

pop

No-one says soda here unless they're talking about sodastreams or cream soda

"Forgive us our debts"? Wait, is this in the lords prayer or something else? "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive those who debt against us" doesnt seem like it works. Sorry, I'm very obviously not catholic (in fact I know sweet FA about catholicism tbh)

Well I assumed Mookie meant the catholics say "trespasses" and protestants say "debts" unless I read it wrong. This isn't the case here AFAIK everyone says "trespasses"!

http://www.spiritheart.org/chapel/lordpryr.htm#matthean

Religion: It's not all fighting with people over translation.

I lived in the suburbs (VERY BRIEFLY) but I'm black and they were like 99% white so those days were more amusing than some of the experiences I'm reading here.

xpost so according to that site we were using the catholic version? Weird. Especially considering my secondary school was so protestant we had smashed up statues from the reformation in the school hall!

I guess technically I grew up in a suburb as it was on the edge of town but it was a council estate so not really.

^^Hahahaha.

My experiences were similar but different because I do live in England? Does that make sense? It wasn't wildly different it was typical classist bullshit and freaky neighbours that you can bet your sweet indie record collection were swingers and bible bashers at the same time, one of mine was this alcoholic typical absent father and he used to show up wasted and yell at his ex on the front lawn late at night.
I got both 'trespasses' and 'debts'.Parents are protestants, school was catholic. FUN.

xpost

My non-denominational, probably CoE leaning schools used "trespasses". When I hear the Lord's Prayer in a Catholic church I'm pretty sure they don't say it. Can't remember what they use instead tho.

where i grew up the FUCKING MICKS said trespassing whilst the FUCKING APOSTATES or whomever said debts. although i think the methodists might have said trespassing as well? maybe it was just the presbyterians. jesus christ.

as to why any of this came up in the huddle of a public-school basketball team is a whole other thing

Yeah I skipped over that whole basketball huddle thing

I do have a pretty sweet indie record collection though.

actually, my childhood catholic pplz were polish or otherwise eastern european, not irish. indeed there was a big hubbub when someone made a statue called 'hunky steelworker' cause so many people could remember when 'hunky' was a slur.

when i was in grade two everyone else went to ccd for two weeks and i got to just sit there reading. awesome

(I should note that I didn't live in a "suburb," as a child, but in a planned subdivision in a town of about 100,000 -- i.e., basically the same as a suburb except you don't hear about cool new stuff from people in a nearby city.)

er, yeah. that was my experience, as well. but i lazily think of it as "suburban"

but it was really more of a small subdivision outside of a small-ish town

i got lots of love for the suburbs

but i guess princeton doesnt really count as a 'suburb'

actually, my childhood catholic pplz were polish or otherwise eastern european, not irish. indeed there was a big hubbub when someone made a statue called 'hunky steelworker' cause so many people could remember when 'hunky' was a slur.

when i was in grade two everyone else went to ccd for two weeks and i got to just sit there reading. awesome

-- mookieproof, Saturday, 12 July 2008 01:20 (2 days ago) Link

you from picksburgh?? a couple of years ago, my brother was in the hospital and some relatives from western pa. came out to visit him. during a visit, my cousin turned to me and said, 'he'll be all right -- he's a stubborn bohunk!!" truer words were never spoken.

I think what people are largely glossing over here is that, at least in a lot of places, the suburbs aren't economically homogenous. There are upscale suburbs and downscale suburbs.

For real – there's a big diff between McMansion Playland and Levittown.

I think my favorite thing about the former incarnation of suburbs IS: archaeologists determined Mesopotamia was a well-formed society bcz of their logical, grid-based roads. What will THE FUTURE think of all the random twists & turns peppered with cul-de-sacs?

sure, but do you say pop or soda?

-- mookieproof, Friday, July 11, 2008 7:50 PM (Friday, July 11, 2008 7:50 PM) Bookmark Link

tonic.

and tresspasses which, in northern mass speak came out as "tresspuhsez".

my mom's neighborhood consists of all these four-digit house numbers which bear no logical relation to one another-- like, 6837 is next to 2339...

Poor pizza delivery people.

club soda innit

council estate represent, it doesn't get realer than the Scott

someone got their bike stolen, like, last month

xposts

not that we care about xposts, on the estate

Do people really feel less spied-on when they have neighbors who they share walls with rather than neighbors 20 feet away?

It's not a matter of spying or privacy, it's that ... when you're in a dense rental area, people mostly just expect you to be non-annoying and otherwise treat you like a near-stranger in a dense area, doing whatever it is that you do. In an upscale ownership-based subdivision where real estate values and people's sense of the American dream is at stake and people's kids all play together, you are policed and confronted with a lot of expectations about how you're fitting into things -- socially, professionally, etc. It's fundamentally a fake scale recreation of a "village," and you're known to all and carry all the responsibility of a good villager, only more so.

The suburbs of major cities are getting the opposite these days, though -- people pushed out of gentrifying city centers, winding up very isolated and shut off and non-villagey in the kinds of strip-mally suburban spaces that don't jump to mind when we talk about "suburbs" in the leafy-subdivision middle-class sense.

otm

... But a dense rental area that's largely populated by students who grew up in strip-mally suburban spaces is the worst kind of hell.

The Suburns are Euro-american living pods popular for their isolation and seclusion, allowing a social interaction -free life. This prevents minorities from seeing them and vice versa. The television acts as the survelince monitor for world events and to have social times. No more apartment neighboors, a welcome sight to the easily annoyed and annoying American stereo owner.

― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:00 PM Bookmark

Gah. Reading this made me so angry that I have to rebuke it even nine years later. As a minority who grew up in the suburbs, the suburban county where I was raised had a rather wonderful diversity: the largest Korean-American community in the state, larger concentrations of Latinos than the central city, a well-established black community in the county's largest town (which I was born out of), growing South Asian and African populations, a thriving Russian community, many other Asian ethnicities, a large, well-populated Indian Reservation, and more.

Which leads to my problem: some white guy is denying that me and millions of people like me exist, just so he can set up some easy narrative that makes him cooler than some other white guy. This pisses me off indescribably.

I really shouldn't have clicked on this thread, it was only going to make me mad.

My suburban street had a black family, a chinese family, and a gay couple, so I feel you Rev. But really everywhere else it's just whites.

My point is (well, maybe depending on where you are) that isn't really true at all.

I mean, there were definitely pockets where I grew up (my own neighborhood, unfortunately) that were super-white, but at the sametime there were other areas that were anything but.

rev's point is kinda that sweeping, superior, judgey-judgey generalisations about what "kind" of people live in a place are duds.

rev and lex otm.

pretty sure my parents are the only asians living in our suburb. have made it out to the north jersey suburbs which are pretty heavily asian and south asian dominated. and to the northwest philly suburbs which are pretty russian dominated. but yeah, it'd be nice to see some more integration.

I was trying to joke lightheartedly to Rev. The.overgeneralizations abt.race in the suburb are retarded.

Looking at wikipedia, it looks like my home county is about 15% minority, but that includes the rural parts too, which really were that white (except now lots of Latinos live in those parts too and you have ignorant white folks complaining about all the "Mexican gangbangers" in Monroe).

So, I'd guess it's more like 20% in the more urban/suburban parts of the county.

kkvgz: I gotcha, but sometimes jokes are hard to read on the net.

Actually, another gay man (I strongly suspect) moved nxt door to my folks, but he's a bit of an asshole about his lawn and nowhere near as cool as Bill and Pete.

(Especially when I'm kinda worked up.)

Understandable, Rev.

suburban makeup is changing quickly in a lot of places. comments 9 years ago are starting to look more like 19 years ago.

Suburbs are still dud imo