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oh come on, it was obvious

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

not really!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

you missed the commercials about the surprising result, then?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Totally obvious. In fact some of the Fashion Week articles rather spoiled it in advance b/c they remarked on Austin's demeanor. That was a fun episode though. I can't help it, I'm kind of glad they brought Rob back, because the camraderie among KS/Jay/Rob/Austin was one of the best parts of the show. Also, Austin was the only one who kind of went off by himself and didn't ask for help or listen to advice from anybody, and it seemed to fit with the rationale of why they ditched him. Too much in his own world.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I don't feel like hating on Pepper all that much. She's not couture but she's not so bad either. Massive stress causes people to behave in strange and paranoid ways, and it's not nothing for her to have listened to Tim (& Rob) and revamped that outfit to make it work, instead of staying on her same tangent with those awful rings and whatnot. I give her credit for getting to the goal in spite of herself, because I think all the conniving and backstabbing only made it harder for her than it needed to be, you know?

Karasaun would've won that challenge if she ditched the trousers, I bet.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

kara's top was really sexy [tim was OTM with the usage of the bias] but died a slow, horrible painful death when combined with those horrible ultra-tacky pants.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Those pants! You know, I wonder if they looked better in person than they did on camera? Because the TV talking head woman said she liked KS's outfit but before the cameras, it wouldn't work.. On camera they looked like kind of cheapish vinyl and ill-fitting, and I was surprised by that. She should have just ditched them. The top was long enough to be a dress on its own.

Kors was right about the dress-over-pants being kind of played.. And yet, though I do love love love Jay, his look always makes me think it's too heavily inspired by what I've seen the RISD kids and film studies crowds wearing in the past two years. It's also incredibly closed-off from other people, which is odd for a dude like him but makes some kind of paradoxical sense.. to me, his clothes are all like "yeah, I kinda want to be noticed for looking fantastic, but I just can't handle talking to anyone right now, so bring me my headphones and my iPod stocked with robot disco."

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I think KS' outfit was designed for a model a few inches taller than the one she got. I like her clothes more and more, but don't like her all that much. Nor any of them, really, tho Jay has grown on me.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

a little

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt kara have a fitting with her model? if not, i can understand why those pants looked hideous. i could have been OK with something a bit more tailored, especially towards the bottom. ive never been one for the boho-chic look anyway.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Personality-wise, I like KS fine, and Jay too (though he is awfully bitter), and Austin I have come to appreciate for his defiant Austinness, as well as for not crying when he was eliminated. I also noticed Rob seems incapable of hating on anyone and actually was incredibly nice to Wendy despite the drama with the others & him getting kicked off instead of her last week.

The thing about KS is that she was the only one who chose to stay in professional mode the whole way through, so we never got to know her too well. Seems that she has been in the industry long enough to be more hesitant to take major risks (a la the fantastic Envy dress) as the show progressed, or to let down her personal guard. I think Wendy's Wendyness threw KS off her game a little, although on the site Tim attributes everyone's lackluster stuff to not taking a risk because they just wanted NOT to be out. Although.. I also think Jay just can't and won't do that fake-tan-Hollywood-sexy thing that Nancy whats-her-face seemed to expect. Jay's stuff is really all wrapped up and kind of shy, which again, is odd when you consider he used to work in the porn industry!

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I am also feeling more charitable towards Heidi now

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 February 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

noticed tonight that in profile (when he squints), rob looks like richard d. james's italian cousin who is a cyclist or something.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

That's what they need to throw in the mix for next season. Richard D. James sitting around the workroom drinking beer.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 06:26 (nineteen years ago) link

we caught just the last few minutes. well, at least austin went out with class and confidence.
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

spoiler link: see their collections at fashion week:

http://tinyurl.com/6oe8y

DONT OPEN IF YOU WANT TO BE SURPRISED.

I'm still trying to make sense of what I saw there. (Search for Project Runway and see what I mean.) I guess there must be another big twist coming.

Do you think Austin will really get to design Access Hollywood lady's Oscar gown?

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Jay's pink dress rules it. I'm torn. I love KS's skills and the over-the-top luxe of those leather and fur coats, but Jay's are more memorable. The thing is, I'm guessing that for the audience there, Jay's stuff is pushing it and Karasaun's is more familiar. But from my perspective (since I live near Hip New England University + Art School) Jay's stuff is more familiar and Karasaun's is more fresh.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

kara saun is the new england patriots and jay is the philadelphia eagles. i cant sum it up in any better way.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

It's settled, then. What are the odds on Jay to win? I'm in. Karasaun's already got a couple of championship rings.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

he'll lose by three points!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

But, but, but
what is Austin doing there?

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

because fashion week happened last week, and the final round of eliminations had not been aired yet, they couldnt have the final three show at fashion week without ruining the suprise. they had a fourth show to keep the final three a secret.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Aah ha. But so they all got to go to fashion week anyway. Tricky.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 10 February 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

PROJECT DRUNKWAY

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Where was the Vanessa tell-all article?

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.popgurls.com/article_show.php3?id=529

Voila voila..!

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I missed half of what was actually said in that episode, I was laughing so hard. Project Drunkway! Austin Scarlett O'Hara!

Oh, and Mario calls Tim a hot bitch. Fantastic.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i was glad wendy got some thrashing, yet i had about enough not long into the program. sheesh!

dude, austin and a cape. was he on his way home from a jane eyre performance?

where's tiny tim?

lot's of fun tho.
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 17 February 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The entire series is the pant.

briania (briania), Thursday, 17 February 2005 08:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know what Wendy's deal is.. all that talk about strategy, but what exactly was the strategic use of acting like you were on Survivor? So far as I can tell all she accomplished was making her own life more difficult. That's kind of a dumbass strategy.

Jay is going to turn into a total overbearing perfectionistic megalomaniac if he hasn't already! Also, Rob.. just does not mind. OMGWTFLOL, etc.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 17 February 2005 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only seen one episode of this show (the most recent one) and, without the background, Jay, KS and Austin all appear really, really fucking mean, spiteful and full of themselves compared to Wendy.

KS is still the best designer out of the four.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 February 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"PopGurls.com stands by this interview. Contrary to what Ms. Riley said during the February 16, 2005, Project Runway Reunion Special, no one affiliated with PopGurls.com has ever been an employee of Vanessa Riley in any capacity."

Vanessa comes off looking almost worse than Wendy.

I had to feel a little sorry for Wendy. The producers used her as a pawn to add drama. Remember when Hot Bitch asked Wendy if she'd be willing to say something about Kevin's leadership? Then they put her in the hot spot on the runway. Still, it's true that she viewed the whole thing from a gross competitive angle, instead of making it on the strength of her merits she played on other's weaknesses. She said she wanted to win so she could "wave at Kara Saun in her rear view mirror" instead of wanting it for the love of design and fashion.

But maybe in a less weird environment, Wendy is not that horrible.

I'm pretty sure Austin is the one who actually drew on the picture.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 17 February 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Drawing on someone's kid's picture is really, really out of order (unless of course they're ugly).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 February 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

wendy should've used the apprentice as an example vs the survivor. gutting your team leader at the showdown is the standard practice over there... design is a cut-throat business. (so says the intro right?) sure, the ideal is to want success to be awarded to the most talented artistically, and i think KS and jay show that the cream really does rise, but i'm sure we can all think of creative hacks that make platinum records and best selling novels. sadly, success is more than talent.

austin's condemnation of the person with the pen did seem overacted.

i wouldn't put it past the producers to do it themselves. or the incident involving, "i didn't take the bitches dye!"
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought wendy came off really well in this episode, and actually changed my opinion slightly of her.

jay might have accused her of treating this af it were "survivor" but i have to wonder, if its not that, then what is it? project runway isnt a series about the lives of designers -- its a *competition*, complete with a grand prize. one person is the winner. real life doesnt have winners. competitions do. wendy is the only one who acknowledges this very simple fact and uses it as the justification of her behavior. i sincerely doubt she would strategize and act as cutthroat as she has on the show if this real life. but its not. its a GAME.

kara points out that you cant sell your soul to win and she's kind of right, but once again, i wonder how many times she questioned her own ethics/morals/ideals in order to establish herself in hollywood. i refuse to believe she is operating on purely altruistic motives. if one truly believes in the spirit of art, you dont have confrontations like the one thats airing in the commerical for next week.

furthermore, i fail to see what made vanessa's interview upset the other cast members. she doesnt tell who the winner is, nor does it give away any vital information that would put her in breach of contract and/or take away interest from the show.

i think its fair to regret something and she voices that opinion. she's one of the few designers on the cast that actually has her own line / stores / etc -- i could see how that may impact a person's business, for better or worse. in the case of vanessa, it did both.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I think we're supposed to think Austin drew on it. I also think a producer or someone did it. I also think it's ridiculous that we're talking about it and they have won.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the same is true of a lot of the 'drama' from the show

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed. I still think it was Kevin but I don't particularly care. All the stuff the producers seemed to have done to bring the drama just got in the way of what was really good about the show. It's not "Survivor" in that collaborating with others and being civil and friendly is probably a better strategy than all the convoluted scheming, isn't it? I mean, Kevin fucked up that dress all on his own. Unless the goal was to make yourself so notorious the producers couldn't bear to kick you off because they wanted the standard reality-TV drama.

I think the "cool kids" pile on Wendy was shitty, though I know how that tends to happen, hip unique special individuals do travel in packs. At least a few of them stayed out of it.

daria g (daria g), Friday, 18 February 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG OMG OMG. i want to post the winner. has everyone seen it?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 24 February 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Kara Saun really pushed it with the whole shoe thing, so I'm glad Jay won. Jay's a character.

I also found it nice that Wendy Fucking Pepper was almost roundly ignored in the final discussions by the judges.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 24 February 2005 05:16 (nineteen years ago) link

HOORAY

I DEMAND pix of Tim Gunn arriving at Jay's house in Pennsylvania!

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 24 February 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link

jay's line was the best definitely. KS's was okay, but too samey at times. wendy's was okay... the boobful one ... "WTF?" jay sorta meanly summed wendy's up for me... the target audience there is just a different age range or something. and no unified jamz.

i was happy to see KS swallow a nugget. miss self-righteous needed taken down a notch. i think the producers did a fine job of making wendy less of a bad guy for this episode, which is nice. she's still paranoid as hell tho! sheesh!

everybody on this thead, stay back from me! you've all got motives!

i got a spacebar and i know how to use it!
m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 24 February 2005 06:11 (nineteen years ago) link

wendy... i almost exploded when she started picking the fight(s) with KS and Jay... spouting absurd and paranoid things, accusing everyone of strategizing with every sentence they speak, but worst of all, that smirk on her face. there's nothing worse than someone being so wrong yet so determined in an irrational argument like that, except of course, to behave that way with that dumb smirk. she keeps saying she's the long shot, she's a mom, and where she could have been the underdog/victim, she decided instead to be this villain. how can someone with a child behave this way? and could her eyes be any closer together?

crly, Thursday, 24 February 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

That was classic when WP said her daughter had made the drawing "for the judges" and her daughter corrected her. I bet Wendy was the smarmiest kiss-ass in school.

I loved Jay's line. It looked like the direction fashion is going. And I was glad they acknowledged his innate creativity and gave that precedence over KS's polish and professionalism.

To be honest, I liked Wendy's clothes better than Kara's. Then again, I'm middle-aged. And I've never been such a fan of leather and fur.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 24 February 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked Kara's but in retrospect I see the Gucci all over it.. There's lots of stuff in Jay's collection that I would wear. With him it's the color and texture and all the artsy-craftsy touches (knitting, quilting) that really interest me, but I am less fond of the cut of some of those outfits - the big boots and ruffly skirts and baggy sweaters are too familiar to me from the art school cool kids around where I live.

Wendy came off better than I'd expected, actually. I thought KS's refusing to speak to her was incredibly childish and was glad Wendy called bullshit on it. Anyhow, Wendy struck me as very DC careerist conservative, in demeanor & in taste, so she made more sense to me after this episode.

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never watched this, because i don't have cable. I just want to say hi to Maria D. Hi!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"the big boots and ruffly skirts and baggy sweaters are too familiar to me from the art school cool kids around where I live."

no joke! that was something that sorta stuck out that the judges missed... "oh he's just sitting in pennsylvania doing his own little thing!" well, not really. cross fort thunder yarnism with japanese anime/cosplay fashions... aherm.

another note: dude, i really hated the music wendy chose for her models to walk to. omg badness. i know that shouldn't matter, but it was painful.

m.

msp (msp), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Hi Alison! We were out with Scott's parents when you called. Square rigger no less. I'll have to find out what I missed on Lost over on that thread. Do they rerun Lost later in the week?

Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

what i love most about jay's work - the quilting. a lot of the patterns are culled from traditional PA dutch handiwork. i almost think thats what makes jay a better designer over kara, his ability to put these small referential touches in his work. kara, being an army brat [and a brat, period] doesnt know what its like to grow up in one place. except of course, LA. and that vapid glamour is directly reflected in her work.

and wendy, ew. she comes from creepy old southern money. did you see her face when she called jay a "whippin' boy"? im sure she would have preferred "slave" or something far worse.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link


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