US POLITICS: AMERICANS, PLEASE WELCOME YOUR NEW PRESIDENT... SCOTT BROWN!

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and remember, JFK didn't deserve to get his head blown off.

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe if naderites were a little ruder back in 2000, things would be different. something to consider anyway.

goole, Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

way to go, Matt; you broke Dr Morbius

Vajazzle My Nazzle (HI DERE), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Matt is already living in Idiocracy

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

if i remember my salad days in 2000, one of the intra-left arguments against nader was "the supreme court matters." it's all so funny now, to think back.

goole, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link

morbs is right tho, that in a very close election (or very close anything!) every single little problem looks decisive. was it nader's fault? absolutely. but it was also al gore's. and bill clinton's. and karl rovess. and the supreme court's.

goole, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

this seems zeitgeisty:

Air America Filing For Bankruptcy, Ceasing Live Broadcasts

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/air-america-filing-for-bankruptcy-ceasing-live-broadcasts.php?ref=fpbrk

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

"It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own." -Senate Democratic memo.

wtf.

you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

also the idea of corporations as slaves is kind of fascinating!

yeah that turned my head a little

This is an important fact that needs to be remembered, that the amendment that 'freed the slaves' had in the late 19th century been used by corporations to defend their actions FAR more than by ex-slaves to defend their rights as free citizens. I wish I would find this book I have with the exact figure but it's something like 99% of all cases it was a corporation citing the 14th.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

really bummed that some people are losing their jobs @ air america. but i don't think too many people listened to the actual radio part of it? i tried, when it started out, and then went back to NPR (nice polite republicans, i know)

kicker conspiracy (n. kaeding ha ha) (daria-g), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

in positive news, i have heard some good things about bank regulation that was announced today.. WSJ now part of news corp. does not seem to like it, i wonder why (lede is very fair and balanced, isn't it.)

Proposal Set to Curb Bank Giants

President Barack Obama on Thursday is expected to propose new limits on the size and risk taken by the country's biggest banks, marking the administration's latest assault on Wall Street in what could mark a return, at least in spirit, to some of the curbs on finance put in place during the Great Depression, according to congressional sources and administration officials.

kicker conspiracy (n. kaeding ha ha) (daria-g), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

already ref'd upthread

I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

hmm wait no that was a different angle about limiting investment sorry

I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

some pathetic shart of an Al fucking Gore

: D

velko, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i suppose theres a special circle of hell for people who were so desperate to avoid bush that they vote-swapped for nader.

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, Nietzsche's eternal return...

Mit der Kattzheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Michael White), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link

ezra klein has been on-point about what a bunch of tards the democrats are

max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

If Democrats abandon health-care reform in the aftermath of Brown's victory, the lesson will be that they can't govern. No majority within the realm of reason will give them the votes to move their agenda swiftly and confidently. Even the prospect of the most significant legislative achievement in 40 years, an achievement that will save hundreds of thousands of lives, will not keep them from collapsing into chaos when they face adversity.

At that point, what's the pitch for voting for Democrats? That they agree with you? A plumber and I both agree that my toilet should work. But if he can't make it work, I'm not going to pay him any money or invite him into my home. Governance isn't just about ideology. It's also about competence and will. That's where Democrats are flagging.

max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

This is an important fact that needs to be remembered, that the amendment that 'freed the slaves' had in the late 19th century been used by corporations to defend their actions FAR more than by ex-slaves to defend their rights as free citizens. I wish I would find this book I have with the exact figure but it's something like 99% of all cases it was a corporation citing the 14th.

Yes, then the infamous Lochner case showed that something called "liberty of contract" existed in the Constitution. The conservatives were the judicial activists then.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

"then"

uninspired girls rejoice!!! (Hoot Smalley), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

yglesias:
Brief trip to the Hill confirms that everything is fucked

kicker conspiracy (n. kaeding ha ha) (daria-g), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i love paul grijalva but he must be smoking something if he thinks that will work

max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

That Yglesias post is from yesterday, no?

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

but i understand how PISSED OFF he & the rest of the progressive caucus must be right now--essentially the senate (and the massachusetts democratic party) has birthed a wussy, moderate bill and lain it at the feet of house democrats and said "pass this... or else"

max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

and remember, JFK didn't deserve to get his head blown off.― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:58 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol wut

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

But Justice Stevens and the dissenters said the majority was ignoring the long-understood rule that the government could limit election money from corporations, unions and others, such as foreign governments. "Under today's decision, multinational corporations controlled by foreign governments" would have the same rights as Americans to spend money to tilt U.S. elections.

Someone posted this on /. without a source. Is it true?

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

it's funny that we got this decision 2 days after Morbs said the SCOTUS would never overrule Roe.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, and brace yourselves: Stevens might well retire this year.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

sometimes I wonder if the Supreme Court justices plot to shorten each others' lives

I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

like "oh man, gotta outlive Scalia, maybe I should set some boobytraps in his office"

I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 January 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Stevens might well retire this year.

no problem, i'm sure scott brown will vote for whatever nice moderate member of the federalist society obama nominates.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Nuclear option-> Healthcare Reform = (Dems grow balls + Give millions health insurance) = Scare + intimidate Repubs/Impress Dem voters

Mit der Kattzheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Michael White), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Stevens might well retire this year.

no problem, i'm sure scott brown will vote for whatever nice moderate member of the federalist society obama nominates.

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:01 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The Supreme Court is a different ball of wax though. Somehow Clinton got Ginsburg through, and Bush got Alito through with no problems. As long as the candidate doesn't embarrass themselves, they get confirmed.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i was being flip, although at the moment, who knows? republicans seem sure they're about to reconquer the universe, they might not be in a mood to do anything at all. assuming they make real gains in the midterms, then their entire focus will shift to drumming obama right out of the white house.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

why on earth would you count on that now

mage pit laceration (gbx), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Somehow Clinton got Ginsburg through,

But remember: Clinton actually called Orrin Hatch and asked him which nominee least offended him (Hatch). He actually screened Ginsburg and Breyer with the GOP minority.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

which I find incredible. Did he just not research her at all?

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, Clinton totally half-assed the nomination process.

uninspired girls rejoice!!! (Hoot Smalley), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

The Supreme Court is a different ball of wax though. Somehow Clinton got Ginsburg through, and Bush got Alito through with no problems. As long as the candidate doesn't embarrass themselves, they get confirmed.

Clinton was bolder than Obama in practice if not in rhetoric imo. I can't imagine Obama even trying to pass something as watered-down as DADT. I'm no Clinton stan but I think there were some areas in which his liberal bona fides were pretty meaningful to him.

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

As long as the candidate doesn't embarrass themselves, they get confirmed.

lol putting a pube on someones coke doesnt fall under 'embarassment' I suppose.

mayor jingleberries, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

which I find incredible. Did he just not research her at all?

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:21 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

my cynical guess would be that it is not really about ideology or jurisprudence but whether the opposition can find something juicy and base-happy to attack the nominee over.

goole, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that's what I meant by not embarrassing yourself. Arguments about judicial ideology aren't enough to torpedo a candidate.

PS- The explanation I've always heard for the Thomas thing is that his "modern lynching" comment scared them off. Still surprising that he pulled it off (and that they didn't just reload with a different, equally conservative candidate).

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

oh wait it was "high-tech lynching" I think, which is more nonsensical.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Ginsberg, like Sotomayor, is a liberal who's Tough On Crime.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"haha yay"

mage pit laceration (gbx), Friday, 22 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

totally thought that banner said "Clusterfuck"

I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link


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