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Looney Left, Militant up in Liverpool, Red Ken down in London. "THEY'RE BANNING OUR KIDS FROM SINGING "BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP"" political correctness gone mad stuff.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And, yeah, Scargill obviously.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ginger lefties

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Argies

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

jon gaunt

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And blacks.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You heard me.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Little" being the operative word

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Not according to the most recent polls.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

... and wasn't Cameron one of those responsible for that policy?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

parties don't campaign on 'number one concern of voters' in general but the voters who will swing the election, ie middle england blah blah blah.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Middle england (according to the polls) cares about health and house prices.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

healthy and house prices

fixed

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what on earth could their problem be with house prices!? they are winning that war. it would be interesting to know the nature of middle england's concern w. health -- taking my parents as barometer of same, their problem isn't exactly lack of service but quality of it: hospital bugs etc. a move by the tories towards increased private provision probably wouldn't phase them too much.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

their kids getting on the property ladder?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Having to live near poor people?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

are the right wing pundits repping for "middle england" thou? as dom points out Littlejohn is, or at least was, the voice of white van man. all the big scares of recent years have focused on working class fears as much as middle england haven't they?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What's he done

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 08:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Suggested that people who work for newspapers without challenging their racist editorial lines, or work with racist colleagues without publicly repudiating their stories, are complicit in their racism.

ShariVari, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:50 (two months ago) Permalink

If they can’t understand valid points about racial bias in the media (plus the top-down ways it’s reinforced away from ‘lifestyle’ journalism and within it, too) and the role of ordinary workers (however high-profile these people are, most are only freelance writers) in perpetuating it, they’re just being arseholes to OJ for the sake of impressing their clique. I got piled on in a FB thread after mildly snarking about Jess Phillips’ opportunistic social climb to Spectator parties and a book deal via the method of denigrating Diane Abbott in public, and suddenly I was the villain for suggesting it’s bad to drink champagne in a garden with Taki.

suzy, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I don’t even like OJ but the way his colleagues pile on him & talk about him in public is disgraceful! Plus the way they refer to him as Squealer (an Animal Farm reference) is more than a bit homophobic and suggests they’re hiding behind plausible deniability to have that dig. But no, he’s the real problem.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh, also, several of them were delightedly tweeting a video of him being called a wanker by a yellow vest - before it emerged that he’d been chased down the street by the same group of protesters who were shouting homophobic abuse at him. Yet him asking the press to hold themselves to any standards is “Trumpean”.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:16 (two months ago) Permalink

Ron Liddle took a day off from the usual race-hate peddling yesterday in the ST for his other pet subject: that made up condition ME and the pathetic malingerers who claim to be afflicted with it. He needs to be put down in most brutally painful fashion rather than OJ (who I think is a complete wazzock as well tbh!).

calzino, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Today: why does Owen Jones talk about the media like it applied to everybody? Saturday: have you seen Janice Turner's fantastic piece about the left?

— The Justin Horton Show (@ejhchess) March 18, 2019

the other half of this is that you’ll see many of the same columnists piling in to have a pop at OJ - who is just one person - RTing their scummy mates at the Times going full culture war on trans people. Like Jan1c3 Turn3r afaict is employed by the Times to churn out scaremongering shit about trans people - and most of the pearl clutchers are fully on that train & spouting off that people who support trans rights are the real misogynists.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Exactly. And let’s not forget JT’s husband is Exec Ed of the Sunday Times, so it’s up to him what goes in the paper. BTW, his father was Peter Preston, so I bet he rates himself as ‘liberal’.

suzy, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Urgh

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:48 (two months ago) Permalink

They forget the whole seeking truth aspect of journalism, eh.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Fraser Nelson is apparently suffering from false memory syndrome

How absurd. The standard phrase “cultural Marxism” - so old I was taught about it at uni - is labelled an antisemetic conspiracy theory (the power of Wikipedia editing!). So an MP with a Jewish husband is cast as an antisemite. https://t.co/hX0JLCxrft

— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) March 27, 2019

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Can’t believe the guy who publishes Taki might have a blind spot about antisemitism.

gyac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:32 (one month ago) Permalink

he's being dragged in an entertaining fashion

Curious to know in which module Fraser Nelson encountered the claim that Adorno and Horkheimer were principally concerned with introducing trigger warnings to American universities.

— Will Davies (@davies_will) March 27, 2019

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:36 (one month ago) Permalink

"so old" wow did Fraser go to uni back in those halcyon days when there was never such a thing as anti-semitism?

calzino, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:37 (one month ago) Permalink

it's also bollocks- "cultural Marxism" is a recent invention of alt-right/4Chan/Q-Anon types used to denigrate anything they deem "PC gone mad", there was no such phrase, though of course anti-Semitic dog-whistling has long been used as a method to discredit Frankfurt School theorists and others

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:41 (one month ago) Permalink

thankfully Andrew Lilico is here to sort things out

The term "cultural Marxism" refers to a form of Marxism that is cultural. Saying "You can't combine 1 adjective & 1 noun in their natural way cos an antisemite once combined them" is utterly absurd.

— Andrew Lilico (@andrew_lilico) March 27, 2019

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:45 (one month ago) Permalink

"a form of Marxism that is cultural" just savouring that particular phrase

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Lollico absolutely will not settle for someone else having the most stupid take

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 09:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Nuremberg Laws. the name of a Bavarian City with a noun.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:02 (one month ago) Permalink

OH GOOD GRIEF. #bbctw pic.twitter.com/sYOUIqrwKw

— Andi (@AndiMcLellan) March 29, 2019

Fair warning, this clip will make you want to pour bleach in your eyes and then torch the remaining flesh in the sockets.

gyac, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:06 (one month ago) Permalink

fp

tinhead from brookside (||||||||), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:17 (one month ago) Permalink

jesus fucking christ i did 5 seconds abolish the licence fee now

The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:20 (one month ago) Permalink

;_;

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:20 (one month ago) Permalink

not with a bang, but with an andrew neil verse

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:21 (one month ago) Permalink

There’s something there but he needs to spend more time refining his style if he wants to be a compelling rapper

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:24 (one month ago) Permalink

EVERYBODY BE COOL AND NOBODY GETS FP'd

The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:28 (one month ago) Permalink

made it 12 seconds with the sound off

recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 March 2019 09:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Christ.

AlanSmithee, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:20 (one month ago) Permalink

not clicking that but I do like the sleazy Non Stop Erotic Cabaret, Soho at night vibes of Brillo Pad's set there

Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:22 (one month ago) Permalink

you... like it?

truly the human heart is fathomless

recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I feel... a strange attraction

Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:24 (one month ago) Permalink

3 seconds

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Is a producer deliberately sabotaging this show? Feel like most people involved with it must realise how awful this is, maybe they just hate Andrew Neil, in which case fair enough I suppose.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Brillo Pad does not need sabotaging, he can do it very well on his own, thank you very much.

Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Non-Brexit News: I enjoyed writing a book so much that I’ve decided to write full-time. So after eight (!) brilliant years at the @NewStatesman I’m joining @TheAtlantic as a staff writer from July, covering the big shifts in the world, from populism to feminism.

— Helen Lewis (@helenlewis) March 29, 2019


What a loss.

gyac, Friday, 29 March 2019 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

PLEASE RT: Today I have obtained a Court Order compelling Mumsnet Limited @MumsnetTowers to release the identification details of one of their users. The days of defaming, abusing, And harassing #transgender people on #Mumsnet behind the cloak of anonymity are over, #law pic.twitter.com/702YMg4vts

— Stephanie Hayden (@flyinglawyer73) April 8, 2019

could have gone in any number of threads but duck it, I’m posting it in this one.

The Times has been at the forefront of this shit in the broadsheets - I’m sure Janice Turner shits out another piece each week - and mumsnet has been an absolute shitshow of this for a long time. I’m not exaggerating when I say some of the discourse on there is too fucking awful even by the standards of k*w*farms.

Today the Times posted an absolute disgrace of a story - after them making up so many things the last year I’m not inclined to give them any benefit of the doubt - and this headline was fucking disgraceful. This is section 28 scaremongering again, and it has real consequences for the safety of trans people in the UK.

The Times: Calls to end transgender ‘experiment on children’ #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/tXBPlAtlYS

— Helena Lee (@BBCHelenaLee) April 7, 2019

tl;dr fuck the Timea, fuck Mumsnet, I wish only bad things on them.

gyac, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I had a meeting once in a Sure Start centre down the road. On the walls were blue tacked up inspirational quotes from anon from Mumsnet, Jo Cox and Steve Jobs!

calzino, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:23 (one month ago) Permalink

times is a rag

... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:23 (one month ago) Permalink


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