THE WORST SINGLES OF THE 90s

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'Two Sides To The Story' by Phil Collins is a good shout though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, there are at least ten songs on this list I've never heard, and am actually downloading at this moment knowing I will probably end up liking them.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am very keen to see your defence of Black And White, Mark!

It's a good list. Only three I actually like (Beasties/Fatboy, Arrested Development (with big reservations about the lyrics!) and Dre), and absolutely loads of unspeakably bad records. Lots of good suggestions since too, except from the odd anti-pop mentalists (Spice Girls, Take That, Will Smith!) who are generally most annoyed by really good pop music, strangely.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, Ned, I HATED the pretty-boy caterwauling initially, but...you know. Duran Duran as grunge: they achieve the dual the trick of having fabulous cheekbones and rocking on out. And I don't know what the hell they were on about, either.

Uh, HELLO? Paula Cole, people! Where has "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?" gone? Or Dawson's Creek theme song "I Don't Want To Wait."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Duran Duran as grunge

Ha! Okay, you called it. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

two words: eddie van halen

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, can we all vote and compile a proper worst singles list? Then it would be PROVEN BY SCIENCE that My Heart Will Go On is the worst record ever?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked My Heart Will Go On listens the 8th-23rd times I heard it.

(I also own an Alisha's Attic single)

Graham (graham), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did Eddie Van Halen play the guitar stuff on Black And White? They were good, but there are so many appalling things about that song...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did Eddie Van Halen play the guitar stuff on Black And White?

It was Slash, actually.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

hah mark's references are so oblique, i didn't even consider for a moment that van halen actually had a direct connection to "b&w"

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 3 November 2002 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

You're right - that should replace the much-less-offensive Fatboy Slim mix of "Body Movin".

Well the original was such a fun song with all those crazy steel drums and such, and since Cook was fresh off "The Rockafella Skank" you'd think a remix would be ace - but it just sounds kind of sloppy and rehashes that "Sound of Milwaukee" wah-wah-whirr noise. The video, however, is one of the greatest things in history.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 3 November 2002 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, it's far from among his finest moments, but I think it's even farther from being among the 100 worst (prominent/hit) songs of the '90s.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd happily defend Tonight Tonight.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 3 November 2002 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shawn Mullins-"Lullaby"
Wilson Phillips-"Hold On"

"You could sustain/but are you comfortable with the pain?" Ewwwww.

Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 3 November 2002 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought it was Slash who played guitar on Give In To Me, which is a much worse song than Black or White.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

By the way, the answer is Counting Crows to all of the above. Thank you.

Yes!!DB owns this thread now..rightupinyourfaceanddisyou...

brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 3 November 2002 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

BLESSID UNION OF SOULS - "Hey Leonardo". Please amend.

Never before has a person been so correct. How I forgot to mention this the first time is astounding.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 3 November 2002 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also, how can it be possible that there isn't a single by Korn listed? (That nursery rhyme one for starters...)

"Wannabe" should most definitely be on this list, seeing as it's one of the most painful songs ever written.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another thread has reminded me of the disturbing absense of Timmy T's "One More Try" from this list, as well.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

So did Blind Melon make the list? If so, I wanna write about them. Either them, or Live.

Mandee, Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

''"Wannabe" should most definitely be on this list''

why is it painful dan?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't forget Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny...

I *liked* Wannabe at the time (along with Gangsta's Paradise it was one of my first popist conversions). Now I listen to it again it is truly, truly horrible. Just annoying. But still, I think there were followup songs that were infinitely worse ('Mama' owns this thread, although redeemed slightly for being the split A-side to the fantastic Who Do You Think You Are.)

And that's the problem - people are always willing to shoot down the high-profile singles, but usually the follow-ups are even worse. Everyone slates 2Unlimited's No Limit, but no-one mentions Faces. I bet virtually every artist on the above list has released worse singles to the ones up there.

And where the fuck are Simply Red, anyway? Bloody Americans wouldn't know shit music if it stared them in the face.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked 2 Unlimited!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 23:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

everyone does

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone = a lot of people but not really approaching "everyone" in the slightest, obv.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

why is it painful dan?

It is the sonic equivalent of Baz Luhrman's "Moulin Rouge"; a level of combined garishness and volume that leaves one saying: a) WTF?, b) who didn't take their Ritalin today?, and c) how can I avoid having to hear this as much as possible?

Joe (Joe), Monday, 4 November 2002 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I will defend Wilson Phillips' "Hold On", incidentally.

surely Blessid Union Of Souls' "I Believe" is THE WORST THING EVAH?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 4 November 2002 06:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

the really bad stuff that does chart is also quickly forgotten. as in 'erased from memory'. so its a tough one to list.

Yes, but that would miss the point of the list, which is that these songs are still popular and bring happiness to many. If less people are wrong, then Tom and Jess are less right. Do you see??

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 November 2002 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

The worst single of the 90s was that horrible piece of shit that went something like "This is the story of a GIRRRRRLLLL, WHO CRIED A RIVER AND DROWNED THE WHOLE WORRRRRRRRRRRRLD!!!!!!!!!!!" Who was that? Awful AWFUL song.

Tragically, Nine Days' "Absolutely" is from 2000.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 November 2002 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

can't be arsed to look through yr list, but first nail in Britpop coffin: "Live Forever" by Oasis (PLOD PLOD BE SERIOUS AND ROCK'S RICH TAPESTRY GGGGEEEEEZZZNXXXKK) and for services to ambulance chasing/final nail in Britpop coffin: "Say What You Want" by Texas (to Britpop what "We Close Our Eyes" by Go West was to '80s New Pop).

Denise Lambert, Monday, 4 November 2002 10:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes Andrew we are such grinches and hate things that are popular.

I've just remembered that the Oasis song I wanted in but couldnt remember the title of is "All Around The World", thankyou Denise.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 November 2002 10:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry. I was a bit grumpy due to Tom's Top 100 singles being my Gateway Drug into Tom (It's all been downhill since there etc), and seeing it disowned in public pisses me off. So I should write my own!

And my point remains: The songs are on this list because they're popular, as well as you don't like them. A lot of these are The Big Hit for the band, and unnaturally extended their lifespan, causing them to release songs which aren't as good (or else those songs would be the big hit, which contradicts the premise of the supposition, thus proving it by science!).

Speaking of which, I understand that hopes are still high for science to discover a new power source based around the fact that the CD listing for All Around The World only says six minutes, but the track lasts for two to three days.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

i also liked the top 100 singles. i don't like this worst 100 list. sorry.

Alan (Alan), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I only like 8 of these songs, and can only be bothered to defend strongly perhaps two of them ("Macarena" and "Two Princes"). Nonetheless, I see very little merit in turning this "list produced while we were drunk and on IM" (proof that two wrongs don't make a right haha) inro an FT article. 100 paragraphs of hate - ugh! BAD IDEA, GOTTIT?

However, mark's idea of pro and con pieces on, say, a selection of these, might be worth reading...

Jeff W (Jeff W), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's another thread where I explain the 'disowning' thing. The two lists aren't meant to be companion pieces or anything, obviously. I am very happy if people like that list and the writing on it: if I could distance myself from the circumstances of its writing I would too.

Andrew your argument still seems circular: the actual process goes - they are popular = we get to hear them = we get to choose whether we like them or not. Or - having hated "What's Up" by 4 non blondes none of the people concerned are likely to have rushed out to buy the album in order to check if there was anything worse on it.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I just counted the songs on this list that I like... 23!)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 4 November 2002 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

OI! OI! OI! HANG ON! Where is Jewel's "HANDS"?!?!?!?!

Also, I agree with Tom's modification of Oasis's songs. Can we also replace "Zombie" ----> "Salvation"??? (eg. bad ---> unbelievably awful)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 4 November 2002 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, where is ANYTHING by Jewel? "Who Will Save Your Soul?", "Foolish Games", "Another Whiny Song", "Another Whiny Song (Only Now My Breasts Are Huge)", etc.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 4 November 2002 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love the fact that Tom and Jess (to take examples) can get slagged off for liking pop too much and for hating popular things. This a) proves they must be doing something right and b) confirms they are elitist-ironic-pop-rockist-taste-farmers.

I don't know if Tom has to be understood to be disowning his original top 100: people change, no-one who writes is the same person second time around, and all that. But I think it's fair for him to say he doesn't want to be identified by that piece, if it is no longer representative of his views, which linking from FT / NYPLM would suggest.

alext (alext), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

*counts number of songs I enjoy [as opposed to vaguely approve of]*...six, maybe? There's a lot of crunt on that list, that's for sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i still can't be arsed to read the list, but scrolling down i noticed someone citing sesame's treet by the smart-es which is surely the GREBTEST SINGLE of the '90s - certainly the most avant-garde TOTP performance ever.

Denise Lambert, Monday, 4 November 2002 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Tom and Jess would be disappointed if people didn't slag them off for this list, in all fairness.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not that that's necessarily bad. I like about 4 or 5, I don't hate too many, I think lots are shit. I have to say I fucking love that Fatboy Slim Remix of the Beastie Boys, I mean for christ's sake feel the cheese.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

okay, okay NEW IDEA: one person to write about why they HATE this song, and one person to write about why they LOVE it. maximum 2 lines per song (jeff's right 100 paragraphs [or 200!] on these songs would be enough to make me shit blood). EMAIL ME if you're interested (this is U&K), and tell me which songs you'd be interested in.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

this thread = proof why spin magazine, and so many others like it, have devolved into list monthly

maura (maura), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha maura, don't be hatin on the list when you helped compile it!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 November 2002 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

...and tell me which songs you'd be interested in.

Wait, wait...this might be tricky since the top 100 (at least the last 14) hasn't been nailed down yet.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 4 November 2002 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

TV cream used to (and prob still does cos it's never updated) have a page called Tribute n Trash which took two, uh, "things" that were tenuously connected in some way, and you had a mini essay on each as to why one was ace and the other rub. DO that instead.

Blimey! tvcream has been updated some time in the last 2 years!

http://tv.cream.org/arktrib.htm

The Clock Tower v The Terrapin Hut is wonderful -- doubtless you'll all find it v twee and indulgent nostalgia, nevertheless i found that particular TnT quite affecting.

Alan (Alan), Monday, 4 November 2002 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

At the time, I thought that Seahorses single -- the strap-on Sally one -- was possibly the worst thing I've ever heard, but with hindsight it may be too innocuous to get all bothered about these days.

also:
that Friends theme song
was AM Radio by Everclear from 99 or 2000?
something from Midnite Vultures
Anthem for the Year 2000, Silverchair
Fly Away, Lenny Kravitz
She Talks to Angels/Jealous Again/Hard to Handle, the Black Crowes

scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 4 November 2002 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link


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