New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

glad we can find some common ground

i don't get the legal side of this, but i would love to see the E.U. take them downtown for this bullshit

just jailbroke my phone yesterday btw

I think the closed shop is all about maintaining the "it just works" reputation, at least for consumer users. I think it is an expectation that a phone doesn't crash or catch viruses, however Apple seem to be a little over cautious. OS X is very hard to break, and I poke around where steve doesn't want me to.

if I get one of these I'd consider jail breaking it and I probably wouldn't with an iPhone, depends what's in and outside the wall. However sign me up for an OS X version of this, an iPad Pro if you will.

I don’t know why they’re doing it. It’s hard to see how it makes them more money.

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not only does the hardware have to be flawless, the software must be too. And the only way to ensure that is to have Apple approve every inch of it.

think you just answered your own question dude (or what Ed said) (fwiw this is also the reason why you can't multitask. i can't tell you the number of times i've wished my parents weren't able to open excel, powerpoint, quicken, word, outlook, and like five other things, and then get me to "troubleshoot" why an HD embedded video wasn't playing smoothly)

still hate it that instapaper can't update in the background, though - memory-resident apps are just not doable on iphone OS which is pretty limiting

still, apps start up and shut down instantly - maybe the first OS i've ever seen where that's the case

I think it would be hard for the EU to characterise this as a monopoly, it competes against other devices and software and the environment is open to anyone who obeys the standards. The French tried and failed to break the walled garden and it didn't work. I think that the business model may turn out to be flawed though, as was pointed out on Ars Technica its not terribly dissimilar to AOL back in the day, initially people like the close support but eventually they feel mollycoddled.

if programs are built so that they re-open at the exact same state they were when u closed them, and they do it quick, how necessary is multi-tasking anyway?

yeah but let's say i want to do some gmail chat with you s10cki. then when i want to browse my music for a second, our chat gets disconnected :/

would be nice to play music while I work on a document

why are you guys gchatting with each other when youre not even facebook friends

that was part of the joke, max

thanks for explaining

like s1ocki would resort to chatting with ilxors in his personal zone

i didnt get it

apparently u did

and tried to capitalize on it

still waiting for an OS where you don't "open" or "shut down" apps at all, they're just always running - i guess we don't have enough RAM for that yet

if programs are built so that they re-open at the exact same state they were when u closed them, and they do it quick, how necessary is multi-tasking anyway?

― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:29 PM

constant closing/opening vs. multiple things open at once

i guess we don't have enough RAM for that yet

no, apple won't allow it!

http://www.quickpwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/jailbreak-ipad1.jpg

i assume iphone 4.0 will let you change the home screen background

other thought:

was reading the knife thread which has a link to the knife's site to stream the new album. i wouldn't be able to stream that on the ipad, right? that is frustrating. more crying.

no flash

it sounds like ass, so let's have no tears, big guy

even if it was a link to an mp3 stream i wouldn't be able to listen to it!

getamacbook

it's all about the software, it's just waiting for it's killer app. Even the game developers were like "this is what we could do in two weeks modifying what we've already made". I think while it was mostly dull, and I could care less about iWork, that was the most telling aspect of the show.

I have a Touch and I love it...sometimes I wish the screen was larger, and that the apps were better. I think when/if developers step up it can be great.

I'm also interested in how the apps work with documents. Obviously as a PRO user I like to be able to have control over where files go and whatnot, but what if the iPhone OS w/ tablet gets more advanced and creates a whole new dynamic for working with documents? When OSX came out I was like "what the fuck is this documents folder?" and I still am. But what if every document that came into the system was controlled by the system the way iLife/OSX does in a half-assed way but better.

You're using the iPad and somebody emails you a jpg. You "download" the jpg. It goes into a folder that you can't see, basically Photos becomes your media manager. Adobe Bridge/lightroom etc. You don't move it around. You open Brushes or Adobe Photopad or Superfuckingpaint and you access all your images out of the same directory. Maybe it goes all web 2.0 and instead of moving things around to folders, everything is managed by Photos and has tags.

I think iWork just hints at things, it'll be other developers who come up with more robust apps with cool interfaces, just hope somebody does. And unlike other tablets, you're never running an application that isn't designed to be used with fingers.

Of course most applications can barely be operated with a mouse and keyboard, so maybe it's a bit much to hope most companies will do anything interesting with interactivity.

I can see games and music apps kicking ass.

crying people, dont forget that the ipod/itunes can play in the background even on reg ol' iphone/tooch

there ARE some apps that can multi, they're just apple's

cant imagine apple wont introduce a certain limited kind of multitasking, if only so ppl can run ichat or something in the background

ya but apple stifles iphone 3rd party apps from the app store that let you customize shit like being able to puts apps in folders or add stuff to the lock screen. why would ipad be handled any differently wrt to app dev

man i just tried adding homescreen to my iphone and it is JANKY

When OSX came out I was like "what the fuck is this documents folder?" and I still am

you put your documents in there

i tried to add hometree and some space marines blew it up :(

oh yeah...it's also about the media distribution. As above, I didn't think the NYTimes app looked much better/different from the website version, especially when the website version looks so good on the iPad browser. It was a bit strange for Steve to be like "look how awesome the NYTimes website is!" then have the NYTimes come out and be like "download our App so you can REALLY enjoy reading the NYTimes."

Especially when NYTimes is thinking about charging for it.

The real success comes when publishers can build apps/publications that are better/more interactive than their own websites...somehow. Then offer it as a paid app, maybe with recurring charges, or distribution through iBooks or iTunes. Thus Apple saves magazines and newspapers. Having a hard time figuring out how that could be better than the website though. Maybe if it's more like a magazine...you get 1 download a week, it's not confusing like a website where you're looking at the archives wondering if you've seen everything. And it's downloaded so you can read it and not have 3g OR wifi access.

I'd be into that. I don't need to go online to visit the New Yorker's website. I'd pay a dollar a week to have a new issue downloaded to me, with some interactive features and videos and games, you know the kind of stuff the New Yorker loves.

It was a bit strange for Steve to be like "look how awesome the NYTimes website is!" then have the NYTimes come out and be like "download our App so you can REALLY enjoy reading the NYTimes."

this, totally

I put nothing in my documents folder.

i usually put my documents there

you put your documents in there

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:59 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but the idea of the os creating a folder for your stuff that it treats differently to other folders (like you can create something called "my docs" and put it somewhere else on the hard drive, but it's not a same -- there are a bunch of folders like this) was a new thing in OS X. i guess dan's point was that resulted in much wailing from the old school, but has not turned out to be _that_ much of a problem in real life. and further locking down the filesystem might be the same.

peripherals I want:

1) waterproof sleeve for bathtime reading
2) Barcode scanner (I could make this into an awesome DB front end and lab tracking tool with that and justify work buying me one), of course if it had a camera then it wouldn't need a barcode scanner. Although maybe I can connect one through bluetooth and have it emulate a keyboard. DB is web interfaced, hmm, maybe I can make work buy me one.

never put any documents in my documents folder on any of my macs

i'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does OS X treat your documents folder differently? just cause it has that little icon on it? i don't get it. i'm being sincere.

spotlight/quicksilver obliterated my need to actually care about where I put anything on my mac tbf

for instance, before they created the "downloads" folder, i would create a folder named "downloads" in my home folder.

if you put your documents outside of Documents, Spotlight won't search it

ah, thanks.

my point is that it is neither here nor there. If there's gonna be a documents folder, then the system should control all your documents and put them there automatically and not let you put them anywhere else. You can make folders inside it, or tag stuff or whatever. Day one I didn't want anything in my documents folder as I keep everything on a different hard-drive. Move the documents folder out of the home? It's really the way the multi-user set-up works that has fucked OSX since the beginning. I have how many libraries? Fonts go in how many different folders? Remind me where InDesign keeps it's workspaces? In system>library>app support or library>preferences or USER>library>preferences etc etc. Guess what? It has more than one, one user specific and one system-wide. I think it's all bullshit.

I think for most users, a "documents" folder or "movies" folder is great, but for POWER USERS like myself its pretty useless. I think Apples philosophy for several years now has been "we'll kind of make it simple and easy for novices to use so long as they don't fuck around with stuff too much, and the pro users will do what they want anyway, so why bother designing software and/or and interface for them?"

e.g. I don't even know where the downloads folder is on my mac (except on the dock). if I were to accidentally delete it from my dock I wdn't know where to go to get it back, except via spotlight obv

it's in your home folder dude.

unless you are talking about a mercenary downloads folder created by you