New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

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I put nothing in my documents folder.

dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i usually put my documents there

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

you put your documents in there

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:59 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but the idea of the os creating a folder for your stuff that it treats differently to other folders (like you can create something called "my docs" and put it somewhere else on the hard drive, but it's not a same -- there are a bunch of folders like this) was a new thing in OS X. i guess dan's point was that resulted in much wailing from the old school, but has not turned out to be _that_ much of a problem in real life. and further locking down the filesystem might be the same.

caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link

peripherals I want:

1) waterproof sleeve for bathtime reading
2) Barcode scanner (I could make this into an awesome DB front end and lab tracking tool with that and justify work buying me one), of course if it had a camera then it wouldn't need a barcode scanner. Although maybe I can connect one through bluetooth and have it emulate a keyboard. DB is web interfaced, hmm, maybe I can make work buy me one.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

never put any documents in my documents folder on any of my macs

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does OS X treat your documents folder differently? just cause it has that little icon on it? i don't get it. i'm being sincere.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link

spotlight/quicksilver obliterated my need to actually care about where I put anything on my mac tbf

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link

for instance, before they created the "downloads" folder, i would create a folder named "downloads" in my home folder.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link

if you put your documents outside of Documents, Spotlight won't search it

counter-clockwise (lukas), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link

ah, thanks.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

my point is that it is neither here nor there. If there's gonna be a documents folder, then the system should control all your documents and put them there automatically and not let you put them anywhere else. You can make folders inside it, or tag stuff or whatever. Day one I didn't want anything in my documents folder as I keep everything on a different hard-drive. Move the documents folder out of the home? It's really the way the multi-user set-up works that has fucked OSX since the beginning. I have how many libraries? Fonts go in how many different folders? Remind me where InDesign keeps it's workspaces? In system>library>app support or library>preferences or USER>library>preferences etc etc. Guess what? It has more than one, one user specific and one system-wide. I think it's all bullshit.

I think for most users, a "documents" folder or "movies" folder is great, but for POWER USERS like myself its pretty useless. I think Apples philosophy for several years now has been "we'll kind of make it simple and easy for novices to use so long as they don't fuck around with stuff too much, and the pro users will do what they want anyway, so why bother designing software and/or and interface for them?"

dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

e.g. I don't even know where the downloads folder is on my mac (except on the dock). if I were to accidentally delete it from my dock I wdn't know where to go to get it back, except via spotlight obv

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

it's in your home folder dude.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

unless you are talking about a mercenary downloads folder created by you

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't even know wht my home folder is

does all of this mean ipad is for me? I'm the problem aren't I

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, the one with the wee home icon!

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/wApCi.png

♖♕♖ (am0n), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm also getting a kind of 'nintendo wii' vibe from this
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GDcK6VtL4g4/Safaa6DRfyI/AAAAAAAAACY/rEXANAiTzqY/s400/08.jpg

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/oRffH.jpg

DavidM, Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Guess what? It has more than one, one user specific and one system-wide. I think it's all bullshit.

I am with you an a lot of what you're saying, but I don't see any real alternative here, unless you want a single-user machine.

caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Sounds good to me.

dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Cozen if you deleted yr downloads from the dock and didn't know it was in the home folder wouldn't you just Spotlight for it?

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

but i'm sure with a little imagination there's another way to handle this stuff. How about there's only one library, only one font folder etc etc, and each user has their own prefs and when an application is booting it knows what user is logged in and looks at their preferences. It shouldn't be as messy as it is.

dan selzer, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, that's what I said

spotlight rules

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

xp so rather than something like the filesystem, you're advocating some kind of database to store preferences and configuration?

caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

also 500% of the the problem with this in creative suite is adobe's fault. per-user stuff involves nowhere near this much confusion in almost any other application (including lightroom)

caek, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

going back to content distribution: it's tantalizing to restrict the ways we can work with files, so that it can all be monetized better. The question is whether it's made appealing enough so that people want to do it rather than doing things the old way (cf. Netflix on xbox, xbox originals). The app store seems to do this because enough apps kick ass on the iPhone.

and Apple also gets, as it were, to outsource development partly without entirely giving up quality control by controlling the app store so tightly...and these companies pay Apple for each sale they make! It's a great deal for Apple!

Euler, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

hitler vid's up btw but it's underwhelming

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Apples philosophy for several years now has been "we'll kind of make it simple and easy for novices to use so long as they don't fuck around with stuff too much, and the pro users will do what they want anyway, so why bother designing software and/or and interface for them?"

OTM. This is why (and I can't believe I'm writing this) I'm enjoying my Lenovo Win7 laptop at work more than my MacBook at home these days...

schwantz, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

hitler vid's up btw but it's underwhelming

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:41 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u should do a hitler vid about it

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Small bit of info from the 3.2 SDK docs. (reported here: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/ars-ipad-reax.ars/3 - I'm not busting NDAs)

One of the benefits of iWork on the Mac is that content from one app can be easily included in documents for the others. For instance, you could include a chart based on data from a Numbers spreadsheet in a Keynote presentation. When that data is updated in the spreadsheet, the chart can be automatically updated in Keynote. If documents were sequestered away from each other on the iPad, you wouldn't be able to do this. Furthermore, how would you get your iWork files onto the iPad for editing, and how would you get files created on the iPad back to your Mac?

Thankfully, Apple has addressed this in the iPad-only iPhone OS 3.2. The documentation for the SDK indicates that it uses a "shared folder" that any iPad application can read and write. This shared folder will also mount as a disk whenever an iPad is plugged in to a Mac or PC, allowing easy file transfer.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm very curious about iPhone OS 4.0. I suspect that feature set (whatever it is) will induce a fair amount of crow-eating in iPad detractors.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

such as? multi tasking?

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

iFrot

struck through in my prime (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

icrowkitchen

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 January 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Pretty sure there isn't going to be multitasking, tbh. Do expect some kind of live widgets on that clearly underdesigned homescreen -- no way you get a full-screen weather widget, for instance.

You could get some kind of dashboard for desk accessories, too: double tap home to bring down overlay.

stet, Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

got this on my iphone like two minutes ago

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

got what?

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

John Appleseed? fuck him he's holding you back. 'sounds great' my ass.

take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

also Anna's gonna dump you.

take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

in mexico

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

nah she's going to mexico with paul. emily knows all about it.

take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

cutty: the app, pictured above my post

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

what is it called pray tell?

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

it is called jailbreaking yr phone and getting an app called "lockinfo"

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

NB - sms notification does not appear to work, i tried it out from google voice

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Thursday, 28 January 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link


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