I HATE APPLE

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Yeah... I just wiped J.'s computer last night and reinstalled (and upgraded!) OS X, because the whole damn thing was getting squirrelly. I can't prove it in court or anything, but I'm 80% sure that all her problems began with Firefox.

kenan, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Safari 3 has a wicked fast javascript engine and lacks all the font glitching on Mac that Firefox 2 does. It also has Drosera (w/webkit download) that is not quite as good as Firebug but is good. You probably don't care if you're not a web/javascript developer, though. It's just a really solid browser, now.

Also, Safari is fast and has that web clippings thing to put stuff on the dashboard. I used it for Nietzsche Family Circus on my dashboard.

But yeah, Leopard seemed to take forever to do the first Spotlight index, but after that I've pretty much quit using quicksilver, love the new Mail stuff, and with my dock on the side (like it's always been) it's just as useful as ever. The new Finder, and the way it no longer dies when trying to get to network drives that lost connectivity, is great. It also auto-finds my disk connected to my Airport Extreme!

mh, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I used it for Nietzsche Family Circus on my dashboard.

Achewood over here.

kenan, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Achewood over here.
Heyoooo!

mh, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Spotlight has "lost" its fucking index three times for me so far, requiring it to reindex it all. Again.

Spaces is awesome, but I don't like the way it doesn't let you keep "workspaces" like you can with virtual desktops -- it'll pull me back to the screen Safari's on if I hit the dock icon, instead of letting me open another safari window on screen I'm on.

stet, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate having to manually go in and rm .* on my smartcard to get rid of all the little spotlight shit. that and weird hangups when I leave it downloading something and let it fall asleep. other than that I use OS X for so very little now that I haven't had any issues!

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

there's some little terminal code thing I saw somewhere to make the dock basically look like the the old dock instead of some 3d diving board thing.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Just realized this thread is where I learned about Font Explorer. I've been a huge fan of it since and have recommended it to all my pals. Place I freelance at still uses Suitcase and it's such a piece of junk. They're testing to move over to Font Agent Pro so they can manage all their fonts from the server or whatever, but Font Explorer is perfectly fine, and I feel good because it's free and I didn't have to get a cracked copy.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Not a single crash since installing Leopard on the release date.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate having to manually go in and rm .* on my smartcard to get rid of all the little spotlight shit. that and weird hangups when I leave it downloading something and let it fall asleep. other than that I use OS X for so very little now that I haven't had any issues!

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:38 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

man mdutil

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks!

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Wow, here's a favorite feature!

Unzip something in Finder and when its finished the extracted folder is highlighted in Finder! :D

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link

s awesome, but I don't like the way it doesn't let you keep "workspaces" like you can with virtual desktops -- it'll pull me back to the screen Safari's on if I hit the dock icon, instead of letting me open another safari window on screen I'm on.

-- stet, Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:32 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

right click on safari in dock, "new window" in context menu!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link

you just said "right click"

banhammer?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeh, that's what I do ... but then if you start a download and the download window is on screen 1, it'll zoom back to that to ask me if I really want to save this dangerous file. I don't think they've thought enough about palettes/secondary windows etc. xpost

what's the trick to make the menu bar solid again?

stet, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link

here ya go, stet. I posted this on the apple lust objects thread where there was also some bitching about the new crap look of the dock.

http://lime.quickshareit.com/share/picture1d2a37.png

Clay, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

having your dock at the bottom is just bad screen space management anyway

Why?

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:55 (sixteen years ago) link

There's less vertical resolution, so you're more likely to use that real estate than the full 1400-1900 horizontal pixels?

milo z, Thursday, 6 December 2007 00:44 (sixteen years ago) link

^^ smart

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 6 December 2007 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

explain me why I should start using safari

-- kenan, Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

because firefox has begun to blow so hard it's not worth it any more?

-- grimly fiendish, Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

www.caminobrowser.org

youknowsit

whatever, Thursday, 6 December 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

What's wrong with Firefox?

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 December 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

There's less vertical resolution, so you're more likely to use that real estate than the full 1400-1900 horizontal pixels?

But it's invisible unless I need it.

I swear I'm not trying to be obstinate here. The "I HATE APPLE" thread is simply not the place for that.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 6 December 2007 01:48 (sixteen years ago) link

But you'll still potentially have a window open that bleeds down into the space where the dock appears - so every time you move down to that spot on your screen the dock comes up, or it just creates clutter when the dock is there.

I dunno, I didn't think anyone actually set the dock to appear/disappear.

milo z, Thursday, 6 December 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

i have it set to disappear. why on earth would you want it there all the time? since i started using quicksilver i barely use it anyway.

toby, Thursday, 6 December 2007 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I spent a long time with it set to be stuck to the menubar, at teh smallest size, so it was almost impossible to open it. So much better without the damn thing

stet, Thursday, 6 December 2007 02:41 (sixteen years ago) link

oh no diffrnt ppl have diffrnt prefs. I spoke out of turn. I'm sure it's fine screen space management is you think it is. My results do vary.

I did something... ugly. I somehow (jeez, don't ask) changed the root user's permissions so that he (it) does NOT have permission to access the hard drive. No boot, no nothing, just a BSOD. Hello, system restore! I think I should go back a couple hours, just to be safe. I'll let you know how how this works.

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Not the root user. The sysadmin. The "me." You know what I mean.

Coming along at a good clip. It's restoring about as fast as the OS installed the first time, which isn't nothing, but doesn't necessitate extra cups of coffee or anything.

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 08:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Just when I think I'm winning
When I've broken every door
The ghosts of Unix
Blow wilder then before

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link

i has a leopard and no problems :D

no OSX problems anyway :(

DG, Thursday, 6 December 2007 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

As an aside, I find the use of the phrase 'real estate' to mean 'screen space' really odd.

The Boyler, Thursday, 6 December 2007 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Less odd than using "real estate" to mean "let's talk about land and property assets," maybe.

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link

i just got a 22" monitor! it's obscene!

DG, Thursday, 6 December 2007 12:34 (sixteen years ago) link

jeez, don't ask

really, i have to ask.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 6 December 2007 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

trying way too hard to set up user permissions for remote access.

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, I forgot to report on how the system restore works. Fine, just fine. Not a hitch.

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Ok, so remotely accessing or even transferring files from a Leopard machine that you are not sitting at is either not possible or not practical, EXCEPT FOR THIS:

http://allforces.com/2007/11/06/back-to-my-mac-through-ichat/

which I'm imagining works a little better than Apple intended it to. After hours of configuring settings and many multiple pages of notes, nothing got me onto another network as well as this, and nothing is anywhere near as fast and easy. Now if I turn my home PC into an FTP server, I'll get around the little file transfer snag, as well.

I forgot what the practical reason for doing this is. I'm sure I'll think of it again.

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't mind the new dock but how do you get the 2D one? hmm? hmmm?

DG, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I posted it just back a few posts, DG! Just open up the terminal and type in what is written in that terminal window!

defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES
[click enter, then]
killall Dock
[then just quit terminal, you will have 2D dock.

Clay, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Why would you want 2D?

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, I hate to keep asking questions after every time someone posts a different take on a Mac feature, but I've been using these computers for twenty years and have never had a problem using some of these things the way they are.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry mr clay, missed that

DG, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost - PP, I agree that it generally Just Works, but the dock creates some real visual strain. The dock should never make it more difficult to tell one app icon from another, or which are open, because that defeats the whole purpose of the thing. (I'm starting to see the side of the argument, though, that says you don't need a frickin' dock in the first place.)

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the dock better than desktop icons. All my shit is on the desktop and my programs are in the dock. And I certainly don't want to harddrive->applications->firefox everytime I want to look at the internet.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 6 December 2007 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

That's where Quicksilver is indispensable.

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, is it too late for me to use that in a serious way? Is there enough built into the OS now that it's getting redundant?

kenan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Keyboard's always faster than mouse anyway.

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Keyboard's always faster than mouse anyway.

-- Autumn Almanac, Thursday, December 6, 2007 5:49 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

rong

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 6 December 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not sure that's always true. If I'm already doing something with the mouse, it's quicker for me to go to the Dock and launch an app than it is to use Quicksilver, fast as it is.

Alba, Thursday, 6 December 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Quicksilver is slow

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 6 December 2007 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link


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