letz talk abt gucci mane

finally hearing cd quality "lemonade" was sooo awesome, that bassline <3

lol, i don't really get what u guys are trying to say about me but okay.

from the perspective of britishers unable to throw everything out the window theyve got used to wrt liking rap and non-comedically get on board with gucci on a grassroots level, surely it can't be that hard to fathom why a dude would prefer jeezy - it's not about lyricism complaints or anything so much as the way jeezy conducts himself with the familiar star gravitas of a classic rapper and more or less follows a regulation album type arc with (the recession being one of the albums of the decade as well. (iirc didn't jordan say much the same as all this at the time?) gucci's is a just a foreign kinda swag basically, though 'lemonade' is well capable of sending him over the top.

i mean it's funny cos once i mightve said similarish about jeezy, who at one point seemed to me the biggest rapper in the world who no one had a clue about over here besides being the guy on that akon 'soul survivor', the r kelly joint and that jigga one with the old horns.

at the same time though you can't ever say that deep rap interest in the uk hasnt had a romanticised kinda faraway othering at play from the very start - even if you look at that martorialist guy (good dude, good blog imo) he's been kneedeep in hyphy and bay area for what seems a fair old while, probably huntsville stuff too i forget,and it just doesnt feel as incongruous as repping 4 gucci. it's all weird and complicated and interesting where all the tipping points are, i dunno. also look at any rap radio show playlist here and folks basically have no idea what to play anymore.

not asking anyone to care but there it is.

kinda disagree with dom being a good fit for fatlace btw, always associated them guys with an easygoing selfdeprecating thing and dude's shockjock impotent fury doesn't sit right imo. hhc most definitely however.

it's all love though, i lol at shabani nonda refs same as the next guy.

oh it's totally easy to see the thought process behind the 'average rapper' piece and i'm not even sure its perspective is uniquely british in any particular way. to me it's hilarious how they include the "we swear we're not trolling" caveat and proceed to troll troll troll, bullet pointing like 3 items with half of a single idea hidden among them.

bay and huntsville aren't faraway distant in time so i kind of lost what you were saying re gucci there, can you talk about this some more

xp oh yeah sure no doubt on that, know the man know the work. just seemed to me like the crew huffing "uniqlo - fail" or whatever were having a bit of trouble with the rest of it though.

zvook i just meant in terms of the rules being a bit blurry wrt britishers digging on locale-specific stuff. huntsville is no big stylistic mystery tho i guess.

more fire gucci + pharrell

http://usershare.net/btogegjnwiyl

on that goose and cranberry juice
drop top vette, cranberry coupe

^_______________________^

i hope gucci + pharrell is nore + pharrell of the 2010s

i am bossin, proceed with caution cuz i am flossin
i didn't do that feature with you cuz you're not important

word to the wise, gucci mane's a wise guy
to all those who despise i shoot you 25 times
my session yesterday, recorded 25 rhymes
haters fuck with other niggas shit but they don't fuck with mine

im not really sure this is the direction i want to see gucci going in terms of beats

great verse tho

how did I go so long in life without hearing 'shine blockas'

this is the new intl playa's anthem

lol I see p4k has already made the same observ. but nothin can bring me off this high

still dont get that song being a 10/10 rap blockbuster critic track

yeah...today on singles jukebox i was the only person to not give a 7 or 8 or 9

i think it's pretty sublime but not even in my top 20 gucci trax of last year -- i understand all reasons why it's crit catnip tho

i kinda don't...i mean if you asked me a few months ago what kind of collaboration would make a gucci song the toast of the indie blogosphere, i guess one of the dudes from outkast would be a good guess but far from my first guess

because it's good

non-critics like it. rap dudes like it. deej & some dude don't. no big mystery about two guys not liking a track.

i get that it's good, but i don't hear 'sublime' (or 'thrilling and freeing' or 'a towering anthem' or any of the other superlatives typically thrown at it).

i mean it being compared to "Int'l Players Anthem" is o_O to me, that's way way way out of its league imo

yeah i suspect that's just the last outkast connected thing dyao remembers digging a lot tbh. i think someone, lex maybe, wrote well about the way the chorus rolls out in the trax poll thread; it's easy for me to understand ppl getting gleeful off it, maybe in the same way they got off on the lyrical trickery of players anthem.

yeah maybe. i mean nobody is a bigger sucker for southern soul beat shit than me but for whatever reason it isn't pushing my buttons very hard.

I love how the beat flips the sadsack sample from "This Can't Be Life" into something joyous and momentous.

i get that it's good, but i don't hear 'sublime' (or 'thrilling and freeing' or 'a towering anthem' or any of the other superlatives typically thrown at it).

― some dude, Friday, February 19, 2010 8:14 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean it being compared to "Int'l Players Anthem" is o_O to me, that's way way way out of its league imo

― some dude, Friday, February 19, 2010 8:15 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

exactly ... i mean i think it could get an 8/10 cuz big boi goes in but its still more a rap nerd track 2 me than, like, emotionally transcendent rap-song-oty for me

yeah i just dont get any real enveloping mood from the sample, it just registers as like "hey soul sample is soulful". i mean, compared to like the 30 inches rmx where the strings in the background kinda get me when u hear them in the background of the verses, or obv international players anthem (which actually I was kinda down on just cuz i was so familiar w/ the original project pat use of that sample) which is just so much more emotionally generous...

to me it's all kinda like if the "this random Clipse mixtape track is the most magnificent rap song of the year!" hype happened the same year that "Grindin'" came out.

i thought ppl went crazy for "Grindin'"? tho i could be like that "how did reagan get in when no one i know voted for him" saw here, i guess.

no it was -- hes saying that ppl like 'shine blockas' like they stan for clipse mixtape tracks instead of their best shit

yeah but in this case it's like other Gucci tracks or "For Yo Sorrows" for that matter just don't exist, which is the weird part. i guess they're less accessible, plus ppl don't hear everything. but i can def hear "Shine Blockas" as anthemic, FWIW. and the wide-spread, if maybe diffuse appeal, made it feel like an event on some level which adds to that.

lol actually I made the intl playa's anthem because of the soul sample, zvookster - it didn't even register that it was big boi rapping. plus andre 3000's verse is maybe my least favorite part of intl's playas anthem.

as to why the beat is anthemic, it's more to do with the infinity crescendos, the bells constantly rising and being brought back down by the bassline, only to come up again - and then that woozy wall of sound part during the chorus.

as to gucci's verse, ehh, I don't keep a reference table of gucci verses '09 and rate songs according to it, it fits the mood of the song and that's all I ask for.

if ya'll could point me to some truly sublime/anthemic/towering beats of '09/'10 I'd be very thankful.

apologies for the presumption

anyway I posted in the gucci thread cause as far as I can tell there isn't really too much talk of this song elsewhere except in year end best of threads.

if ya'll could point me to some truly sublime/anthemic/towering beats of '09/'10 I'd be very thankful.

― ←→ + P = ☽☽☽☽☽☽☽ (dyao), Friday, February 19, 2010 9:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*self promo* did u hear my mix

haha no where is it??

mediafire.com/?zinnwnutmyn

1290 downloads :O

braggin

300k more downloads and you'll be in the same class as big boi drake

i guess i fall in the middle of the poles re: "shine blockas" -- i think ppl who rate ahead of "wasted" as a single are really wrong and valuing the wrong things in their rap singles, on the other hand i think it has the same sort of life affirming effervescence as great southern soul songs like "int'l playas anthem" -- the latter is in a different class i agree, but i feel that same sort of rush during the chorus

and i like it in the very large context of gucci's output because the chorus is definitely tonally & lyrically different than something you'd hear on one of his own songs. i wouldn't take it over drumma boy/zaytoven/fatboi/shawty redd stuff, but i like his songs with drake for the same reason

haha i meant "big boy drake"

valuing the wrong things in their rap singles

see this is O_o to me

i mean, personally, when i'm thinking about singles qua singles like things i'd vote for at the end of the year in nerd critic polls, unless a song blows me away, i tend to gravitate at the end of the year to singles that i hear out, that people talk about, that don't exist to me in the way that "shine blockas" did -- hearing "wasted" in the context of the radio & out in bars/clubs really affirmed to me its mega-single status -- maybe if "shine blockas" was as popular as "wasted" i would think differently of it, but in a way i see them on totally different planes, in a way that makes me like "wasted" much better

yeah I can see the value of placing a single in a larger context - but for pure personal enjoyment shine blockas is a priori good for me

i have "wasted" & "shine blockas" on about the same plane - pretty much agree with whoever said that the backlash is kinda nonexistant, just deej and some dude who have pretty much had their opinions (valid opinions) since day one. don't think i voted for either on my ilx singles ballot, tho i agree with jordan's criteria

anyway j0rdan it seems like you're having it both ways - like you're saying "man if I really like this song, then who cares what other people think!" but then you're also saying "well if I'm on the fence, then I'll weight buzz/consensus more in evaluating this song"

will be curious to see how ya'll react when the new the-dream single flops

maybe i am -- it's more of the fact that a song being popular can expand the context of the song in a good & bad way & can kind of open your mind up to new ways of thinking about it imo -- both because your more likely to hear it more which will always solidify or alter your opinion of the song and also because it gives you an easy & natural rating system -- it's not that i was ever really on the fence about "wasted", it was immediately one of my fav songs of the year, but hearing it out a lot kind of confirmed to me that it had this world beating, wide screen appeal to it. with "shine blockas" i'm like "this is nice"