Dub / Reggae: An Idiot's Guide

also this blog has a sick linval thompson dub album that i've never heard of for download here

http://agonyshorthand.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/original_rockers_fr-768759.jpg

I dunno, Am0n, it seems that in addition to the 'crap electronica acts' the most important figures (that are still alive) are featured: http://www.dubechoes.com/?page_id=5

I wonder if this will ever make the UK. Film distribution in this country is notoriously crap.

Thanks for the tip, anyway. And Original Rockers is a truly fantastic record!

http://members.shaw.ca/dublp3/scientistandjammystrikebackA.JPG

ahhhhh so many copyright violations

Currently listening to Scientist & Prince Jammy's awesome Dub Landing (which I got for $6 from Ernie B's.) Seriously stellar stuff.

hmmm I don't have that one. god there's so much of this stuff.

Seriously nothing but good on Auralux. Everything that was out on the label at the time was at last year's big sale for $5-6 a piece.

i think i have dub landing vol. 2?

this one is really good too http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=26101 its actually a scientist album even though it says coxsone etc. on the cover

Actually the CD is Dub Landing 1 & 2. There is another Scientist/Jammy disc on Auralux too called DC Dub Connection, I think. That came out last couple of months.

http://www.timbuktunes.com/covers/cover-5060130070972.jpg

one of the better things i've heard recently. lazer beam dub hell yeah

dood Ernie B's is selling that Jammy and Scientist Strike Back LP for $150.

someone recommend where to start with the following:
U-Roy
I-Roy
Roots Radics Band
Sly and the Revolutionaries
Gregory Isaacs
solo Wailers stuff (besides Legalize It!)

U-Roy = I like the Right Time Rockers album. . . some people swear by the Treasure Isle stuff, but I tend to prefer the stuff he's versioning
I-Roy = that Blood Fire collection is pure fire
Roots Radics = virtually everything released between 80-84 seriously you can't buy a record from this period where they weren't the backing band
The Revolutionaries = for 74-79 kind of the equivalent of the Roots Radics (although they changed names a bit and there are some other great backing groups although often these included Revolutionaries members).
Gregory Isaacs = everything up to and including Night Nurse (there are a few things post this esp. some Gussie Clarke and Tubby productions)
Bunny Wailer = Blackheart Man

Roots Radics and the Revolutionaries are basically impossible to recommend just one record, but if I had to I guess I'd say the Barrington Levy's Shaolin Temple and the Mighty Diamonds Right Time respectively.

Gregory Isaacs I guess I would start with Extra Classic (which Trojan released with some great if scratchy dubs), I guess, but really you can't go wrong with anything pre-83.

tttthx man!

actually I think I have that Barrington Levy - I am really bad at keeping who's on what record straight

Yeah it has about three different names too.

Roots Radics: http://www.roots-archives.com/artist/159

i love the Hugh Mundell - Mundell LP (http://www.roots-archives.com/release/459)
King Tubby - Dangerous Dub - http://www.roots-archives.com/release/1698
Linvall Thompson - Phoenix Dub - http://www.roots-archives.com/release/574
Rod Taylor - Where Is Your Love Mankind - http://www.roots-archives.com/release/351
Rod Taylor - Garden of Eden - http://www.roots-archives.com/release/4733
Scientist - Dub Landing 1+2
Scientist - Scientist Meets The Space Invaders [1981]
Scientist - Scientist Rids The World Of The Evil Curse Of The Vampires [1981]
Scientist - Scientist Wins The World Cup [1982]
Scientist & Jammy - Scientist & Jammy Strike Back [1983]
Scientist v. Prince Jammy - Big Showdown [1980]

Big Showdown is great.

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U-Roy

Dread Inna Babylon w/ Skin, Flesh + Bones, Soul Syndicate
http://www.roots-archives.com/release/914

I Roy, i don't know too much about but the WhapNBapN LP is an undiscovered gem of Disco/Dread proportions. if Morgan Geist ever caught wind of this LP, it would suddenly be the ultimate lost gem. it's a bit cheesy (0k, a lot cheesy) but it's also fascinating in parts.

i'd say just get the Blood and Fire reissues/compilations for U Roy/I Roy or If Deejay Was Your Trade comp.

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Sly & Revolutionaries check the Roots Archives pages for Sly Dunbar and Robbie Shakespear seperately for a complete list of their contributions to jamaican music
http://www.roots-archives.com/artist/29

Barry Brown is one of my favs. but there are really too many great albums they've appeared on to list.

http://www.roots-archives.com/release/454

that barry brown is the shit

this one too http://www.roots-archives.com/release/843

I think I've said it on a half-a-dozen threads but I can't recommend Dub Landing 1 & 2 enough.

I-Roy = that Blood Fire collection is pure fire

The Don't Get Weary Joe Frazier song on this disc is fantastic and sly.

absolutely. Barry Brown is fantastic. the Johnny Clarke combo LP is great. i've recently spent a couple weeks tweaking my Reggae/Dub collection. editing ID3 tags to note backing band, mixer, label, year, artwork and dub album/vocal album counterpart if they weren't named similarly. it's been a wonderful way to appreciate the music. reggae in particular benefits from extended tagging since the backing band wasn't credited and lots of albums that say King Tubbys weren't actually mixed by Tubby.

AS I WOULD SAY!

http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/linval_thompson_ride_on_dreadlocks.jpg

^underrated

It might be, but it is the least impressive of the Blood & Fire Bunny Lee comps (which makes it still great, but no where near of the class of the Tubby dubs or the Johnny Clarke and Cornell Campbell sets.)

holds it own with the rest of those imo. i listen to it way more than the clarke and campbell

Haha well I guess I am underating it then. ;)

anyone know what VP vinyl pressings are like? was going to get the channel one story 3-disc vinyl set but thought it might be a crap overtly loud or digital type of pressing as it came out in 2004 so might just get the cd instead.

it varies from release to release but they're not all great pressings. i'd ask on either the Blood and Fire board or the Roots Archive board. those guys are nice and knowledgeable. whether or not it's a bunch of white kids typing in patois is up for debate.

Agree those are def. the forums for that sort of thing.

i really slept on that baf prince alla/junior ross

That one is awesome (it took me forever to find a cheap copy.) Have you ever heard any of Alla's Jah Warrior stuff, am0n? His track leading off the second label comp is awesome and I've been contemplating picking up the albums.

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/84/982684.jpg

Gussie Presenting I-Roy! 47 tracks! Fantastic!!!!!!!!!

that cover is so great

@Alex - this is the only alla i've heard. that acid rock guitar on "gold diver"!.. and some of the junior ross tracks kill me

Oh then you should def. get the other Alla B&F collection. Great stuff (a lot of the tracks make up the dubs on Freedom Sounds in Dub as well.) Also the Tappa Zukie in Dub features dubs of a lot of the Alla/Ross stuff.

Barry Brown "Youthman" and Gregory Isaacs Extra Classic expanded reissue from Get Back! arrived today (thx Ernie B's!)... will report back.

I think I listened to "Black A Kill Black" and "Mr. Cop" about a million times when I first got that disc.

wait is that barry brown on cd??

man I love how shit I order from Ernie B's arrives within 24 hours of me ordering it... just got the Hugh Mundell recommended above and Mighty Diamonds "Right Time"

I love the Barry Brown ref'd above, probably a bit more than the Gregory Isaacs double-album, although the Extra Classic material is fantastic. The earlier stuff is a bit more generic.

I bought like 10 CDs for like $18 earlier in the week. Their warehouse clearing sales are always so nice.

Just got a dozen cds from there in the mail myself, including a Barry Brown discomix thingee mixed by Scientist. It's good, but nothing stands out much as of yet. Sadly I think I've reached the point of diminishing returns w/r/t reggae.

!! say it ain't so! My reggae/dub collection is still pretty small compared to what all is available tho...

Haha well I bought 3 Capleton CDs for $2 each and I will say that by the end of the third that there might have been some diminishing returns. But then the collections of Fatis and Tony Kelly productions perked me up again.

to me this genre is like a bottomless pit of riches (similar to Brazilian music) - I know that if I'm bored and want to hear something new but nothing is quite hitting the spot, I can always return to this buried treasure trove and get something worthwhile that I've never heard before.

Yup that's pretty much how I feel about Jamaica (I feel less so about Brazil because I don't like newer Brazilian stuff as much as I like dancehall.)

I'm still playin catch-up with Brazil - I don't think I have anything that's later than like 1985