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essentially yes.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Liverpool gets loads of tourists - Beatles etc.

Anna, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i know but that seems more of a constant that non-Beatles 'cultural sightbites' may not have really expanded upon. and more than Bilbao now? but i'm guessing Bilbao didn't get a lot of visitors before the museum - i could be wrong.

the bilbao example was more interesting because of the area's particular insularity and pride tho and the juxtaposition of this and Gehry's Guggenheim (fell from the sky/could've landed anywhere else, doesn't care about/reflect the 'native' culture/community). so how Bilbao's communities square that with the commercial benefits on their city is maybe more interesting than it would be in a lot of places.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they have papers at the barbers?

i read fhm the other day, at the barbers. well actually it was a little while ago. i just didnt want to tell you guy at the time, in case you said something

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

when i say guy, i mean guy as in blueski, not guys as in everyone else

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that could have done with unpacking -- it's a fascinating topic. my guess is that no way did bilbao get that many tourists pre-guggenheim; but then the whole cheap-flight city-hopping phenomenon only took off in the last ten years or so too.

did you really read it 696, or just look at the pretty ladies?

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i looked at the ladies

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

though there was this article about the decline of manufacturing on teeside which wasnt bad

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the article was typed in 8pt Frutiger over a photo of Billie Piper in her pants

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

but then the whole cheap-flight city-hopping phenomenon only took off in the last ten years or so too.

a book about this would be v interesting, initially on stats basis (general increase across all european major cities generally? unexpected successes irrespective of recent developlements e.g. guggenheims or regen projects?) but also the commercial, cultural, environmental and subsequent political effects of course.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yea it was kinda annoying having to read the whole article to be able see everything properly

696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Has no-on mentioned Frederick Forsyth?

He doesn't like longlife lightbulbs. Or at least seems to have some kind of house that destroys them, therefore they are a bad idea obviously.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/2615

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ahhh the express - the headline to-day "Interest rates to go even higher". What even higher than under your beloved Thatcher? No? Well then shut the fuck up.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

take note at the easy ride the mail is giving gordo. i only read the front covers admitedlly thou it did say in the newstatesman he has gone out of way to have huggles with the owners of the mail and the sun.

acrobat, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

have huggles with the owners of the mail and the sun

shiver

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I saw R Wade in Daylesford Organic once - with Ross K in a barbour and cap. How I laughed.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

uh paul dacre and gordon brown liek each other lots.

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

private eye's been saying this for ages.

wonder what the statesman's deal is, cos the guy who bankrolls it (geoffrey robertson? labour qc, super-rich) is or was brown fan #1.

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like the way the comments blame Blair for long-life light bulbs, as if he designs and markets them himself.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what people don't realise is that dacre is a saloon bar socialist and that the daily mail has been an extended satire ALL ALONG.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think you're confusing 2 people there, Geoffrey Robinson (ex Labour MP, very rich, owner of the NS) and Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette

He is not! Is he really?

Tom D., Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what people don't realise is that dacre is a saloon bar socialist and that the daily mail has been an extended satire ALL ALONG.
-- Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:26 (1 hour ago)

I think you're confusing 2 people there, Geoffrey Robinson (ex Labour MP, very rich, owner of the NS) and Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette.
-- Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:05 (5 minutes ago)


I understood Marcello's post easily enough, but if people are likely to be confused by it, why would only those two be confused (and how long have they been lurking on ilx)?

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Geffrey Robertson - leftish QC married (so help him) to Kathy Lette

He is not! Is he really?


Yes really, although I had to go and check. 2 Australians far from home find solace in each others arms innit.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile back to british right wing pundits here's a Jon Gaunt fansite!

http://www.gauntyfansite.co.uk/

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well that's unsurprisingly rubbish...

Thank you for registering. The admin must approve your registration before you may begin to use your account, you will receive an email shortly advising you of the admins decision.

I hope I'm rejected.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

On fantasy island
Johann Hari

Published 21 May 2007

Print version Listen RSS Littlejohn's Britain
Richard Littlejohn Hutchinson, 320pp, £12.99
ISBN 0091795680


Let's be open-minded. Let's be ready to laugh. According to the press release accompanying this cut-and-pasting of Richard Littlejohn's recent rants in the Sun and Daily Mail, he is a descendant of James Gillray, Daniel Defoe and the great English satirists, "the real, talented deal".

People who have only ever heard him on the radio, where his satire consists of witticisms such as calling for gay rights activists to be killed with flame-throwers (which drew a rare reprimand from the Radio Authority, now part of Ofcom), may be perplexed by this description.

But I carefully sewed up my sides, opened the book, and found Littlejohn's first gag. He told a pre-power Tony Blair, when asked for political advice, that he should "take on Liverpool". He should "put tanks on the East Lancs Road, submarines in the River Mersey and then surround the place with barbed wire. Then you send in the bombers and turn the place into a car park. When the dust settles, you invite the Hong Kong Chinese to take over. Job done."

Cherie Blair - a Liverpudlian - found this tedious and walked off, thus giving birth to Littlejohn's barrage of "satire" against her. He dubbed her "the Wicked Witch" with "saddlebag hips", "legs like Popeye's trousers" and "fat ankles".

I tried. I tried really hard to find the satire. I pored over every page. There are, after all, far right-wingers who are capable of being funny: Ann Coulter; Kelvin MacKenzie; even Jean-Marie Le Pen can raise a chuckle as he calls for monstrosities. But as you browse through this random collection, the stale air is almost choking. Littlejohn is dependent on the same catchphrases he created 20 years ago ("You couldn't make it up!" "Mind how you go!").

Here's a typical example of his comedy. He imagines Kimberly Quinn - David Blunkett's former lover - singing: "I haven't slept all night/I haven't slept all night/I don't know what to do./ I know I'm looking rough,/That's cos I'm up the duff./The baby's father's you." His observations about politicians (for example, saying that Gordon Brown has a "kiddie-fiddler grin") aren't satire; they are primary school playground abuse.

There is, however, a core to Littlejohn's humour, to which he returns on almost every page: homosexuality. He obsessively talks about cottaging, lubricants, 69ers - every tiny detail of gay sex is smeared across the pages. He quotes long exchanges from Gaydar involving the MP Chris Bryant ("I could do with a good f***"), and says Peter Mandelson lives on "the Rue Des Jeunes Hommes" (because gays like young boys - geddit?). I think about gay sex much less than Richard Littlejohn - and I am gay.

Every problem circles back to sodomy in his mind, as he panics: "Soon we'll have gay men going door to door, like Jehovah's Witnesses, trying to convince us to convert." This isn't bigotry. It's a psychiatric disorder. Yet he claims that "the fascist left" are "smearing" him as a bigot. His technique is to make an unambiguously bigoted statement, and then say it has "nothing to do" with bigotry. For instance, he says that in Britain, under "the Blair Terror", "Entire neighbourhoods have been ethnically cleansed - and it's the English who are getting out of town." Then he says - without missing a beat - "But as I keep stressing, this is not about race." I see . . . it's "ethnic cleansing", but it's "not about race". Perhaps somebody should send Littlejohn a dictionary.

If Littlejohn's work has little value as satire, how does it stand up as political commentary? Its main flaw is that he has a worrying tendency to get his facts wrong. To give just one example (I could fill an entire issue of the NS with them), he declares that asylum-seekers get cash benefits "starting at £180 a week". In reality, when the article containing this claim was written, in 2000, asylum-seekers received cash benefits of nothing as they were all given in vouchers. Today they receive £43, less than a quarter of the sum Littlejohn invented.

His arguments crumble even before the sentences end. He claims that two million people leave Britain every year because they are appalled by "mass immigration". So people are so appalled at being forced to live among foreigners that they are . . . going to live among foreigners.

Littlejohn's Britain doesn't exist. Literally. He spends much of the year writing from a gated mansion in Florida, and admitted in a recent column that, when he is in Britain, he rarely leaves the house. He is describing a country he sees only through the pages of the right-wing press and his self-reinforcing mailbag. The cumulative effect of poring through more than 300 pages of this isn't to make the reader feel angry, or indignant, or offended. It is to feel pity for a sad, lonely little man, howling at a world that exists only in his own pornographic imagination. You couldn't make it up? Richard Littlejohn does - every time he writes.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 07:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Unfortunately, Johann Hari.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeh i know that's what made me laugh. the article is funny cos y know littlejohn but also cos i find hari's tone unintentionally amusing. like last week he was attacking ziziek and declaring postmodernism useless and evil.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think about gay sex much less than Richard Littlejohn - and I am gay.

This is a pretty great zing, Hari or no.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

otm, i find him quite irritating (hari that is - i try not to think about littlejohn) but that made me chuckle.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That article was published in the future. Did it have the racing results as well?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i dunno you go take a look at the stuff kingfish posts and littlejohn seems kinda risible. there's a sort of lack of real conviction, the american right wing pundits have scary evangelical zeal whilst british ones just have ugly middle english resentment.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I always think the British stuff has a sort of pathetic street corner ranting crazy guy aspect to it, whereas the American stuff comes from more of a dominant position and is thus scarier/more depressing.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well thats kinda what i was trying to get at before, theres a feeling that the british ones dont really believe what they are writing, other than in a kind of "pfft" middle aged white man 'its not even music' type feeling of being pecked at

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

actually thats kind of it, all brit rightwing journos all seem kind of, well, HENPECKED.

and that they are really writing displaced barbs about their wives

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wives who probably have a spanish lover

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

littlejohn is kinda like an uncle who thinks it's funny to declare whn you mention that yr going to brighton: "you better watch out going there it's full of gay"
the american pundits are more like a lynch mob.
though the right wing press were a lot scarier a few years back when asylum seekers and peediefiles where all over the shop. i mean they were stirring up actual, real mobs back then.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Did that thing with the lynch mob attacking the paediatrician's house actually, really happen? I mean, it was reported, but every now and then I remember it and think nah, that's an urban myth, or it's been heavily embellished, at least. Probably wishful thinking.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

heavily embellished is correct: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4719364.stm

ledge, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ah yeah, just read that. Sad to see the citizens of the noted international centre of commerce Portsmouth being unfairly labeled as monobrowed doctor-bashers.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeh i seem to remember seeing the pictures, they'd thrown paint at the gold plaque outside the surgery. i love the idea that peedumfilez would advertize themselves in such a manner. i remember looking at the NOTW that sunday they printed the name of EVERY PEED IN BRITIAN and just thinking; "this is a really, really bad thing to do".

i think it's a nice thing that the kaiser chiefs have come up with a stinging response 7 years later. maybe they'll tackle the miners strike on their next lp.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i remember looking at the NOTW that sunday they printed the name of EVERY PEED IN BRITIAN and just thinking; "this is a really, really bad thing to do".

I feel like you should say this on an I Love 2000 type program.

What was the Kaiser response called? I made passing reference to lynching a paediatrician in an aborted song once.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

littlejohn likes the word "poovery", i recall. one article i read by him used it about three times.

Frogman Henry, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their last album was called "Yours Truly Angry Mob". i have not heard it but a review i read indicated that it was very much about that period. i think some people have thrown the "hating on the working class" criticism at them.

talking I Love 2000, remember the FUEL CRISIS? them truckers blockading shit cos of tax or something. crazy times.

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Was 'poovery' invented by Private Eye or does it predate that?

DJ Mencap, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think the hating working class accusation at KC is incorrect btw

696, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure ILM managed about 700 posts on that in 2005

acrobat, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

not all working class people wear tracksuits and attack you as you get in a taxi etc.

blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink


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