letz talk abt gucci mane

also explains why spotlight was such an artistic failure

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

i think there's much simpler reasons as to why "spotlight" is so bad -- but certainly "wasted" & "lemonade" are big pop hits on gucci's own terms & people dig them because they are identifiably gucci mane, which "freaky gurl" & "spotlight" and even "so icy" aren't -- the same reasoning can be used to explain why "lollipop" wasn't seen as a massive sellout & why it was embraced as it was where "spotlight" really wasn't

i mean, i think in a lot of cases, rappers will get called on their bullshit -- shameless pop grabs will more often than not get rejected as such, but something like "soul survivor" can become a massive pop hit powered by the artists core fanbase if it seems like a parcel of the artist

I would like to hear more about this essence of gucci mane

i think what deej is saying -- & how i interpret that part about ill blu as it pertains to gucci -- is that -- & this is something both deej & i have written about before, i think -- gucci is extremely good at making songs that are blur the line between street & pop in a way that they exist in a middle ground in terms of audience -- he hasn't had a massive, top 10 smash, and he's far from an underground artists at this point -- gucci's discography has so many self-created, catchy choruses that don't belie the tropes of street rap, but work them into the structure of pop in a way that struck me as very fresh -- for as great as lil wayne & 50 cent's mixtape outputs are, they rapped over other people's beats and re-worked pop chorus melodies by interpolating the themes of street rap -- gucci on the other hand just wrote a countless amount of original hooks that do the same and are as catchy as 50 reworking "luv u better" or wayne re-working "what you know" -- there aren't any street rappers who are writing 'pop' hooks that seamlessly streamline in lines like "hit the mall buy everything, in the club buy all the Don/ we just came to have some fun and make the club run out of ones" or "rock star lifestyle might don't make it/ iving life high everyday click wasted/ sipping on purple stuff rolling up stanky/ wake up in the morning 10 clock drankin" -- that is kind of the 'essence' of gucci mane as a really unique pop rapper who, to quote tim, "seem[s] to approach [his] 'pop' moments not by toning down [his] excesses but by ramping them up" -- and this part, "the only way [he's] prepared to 'cross over' is by being ever more ridiculously [himself]." applies to both "wasted" & "lemonade"

hmm I don't really remember gucci choruses as being particularly poppy or catchy, but I haven't really spent the same amount of time with him that you have. to me they're hard to distinguish because he doesn't really change his timbre or flow for 'em, they kind of blend in to the verses. lol the first instance I thought of him was reworking smiley face into frowney face.

I do have yer best of gucci thing sitting on my hard drive which I've been meaning to give a listen and I'll do so with yer points in mind

some dudes just have good voices for hooks. method man was by far the best w/ that in wu. 50 def had it -- i remember some old ilx post (spizzazzz post?) about how 50 was the king of the ... microhook? was that it? drake is actually fairly good w/ this too -- i think his voice is used to good effect in 'off that.' gucci totally has this, one trae track i dug this year (rich boy kinda ruined it tho) was "wrist out the window" which just had this loop of gucci going 'my money long as a limo / just to show off i put my wrist out the window', 1st time i noticed his voice being used for another artist's hook that i can think of & i remember thinking how right it seemed

u forgot "rollin rollin rollin, we ain't slept in weeks"

"wrist out the window" is a good rich boy & gucci track from last year, you bum

it's from that rich boy tape 'bigger than the mayor'

his verse on it is dumb. i heard it on a trae tape, never heard all of 'bigger than the mayor'

yeah i don't really remember any details of the song tbh, you're probably right

'wrist out the window' is a monster of a track but i really like rich boy so...

u ain't seen my mistress?
look at my bitch's bitch
even her wrist sick

tho gucci has a lot to do with the fact that when i hear these mixtapes tracks nowadays i just assume they are original joints

http://www.zshare.net/audio/732201208d047805/

this is dope -- love the beat too

fuckin love that

(((d-_-b)))

http://www.zshare.net/audio/7338892867037076/

kind of looking forward to seeing how desperate deej's gucci withdrawal will get over the next 9 months

oh nvm i thought he was crying about that on this thread

(((d-_-b)))

http://www.zshare.net/audio/7338892867037076/

― jizzchin (J0rdan S.), Sunday, March 7, 2010 4:31 AM (Yesterday)

^^^

surely the point of order to take from transposing that tim quote onto gucci wrt 'wasted' and 'lemonade' (besides the obvious "artists generally do better at what they're good at and what their fanbase is established on rather than abruptly switching up 4 the masses" truism) isn't in further lauding gucci for some kind of grand deliberate lyrical pop intensification so much as it is in appreciating how much better those particular beats are at facilitating his unchanging gucciness for everyone to immediately enjoy - 'wasted's martial focus freeing up a stage for looseness of content and delivery, 'lemonade's cheerful morbid obesity for cartoonish retail micromonotony.

r-t-c i want u to break down "i'm a star"

w/r/t all that

california endo, kush bag in the rental
i was sellin enzos, niggas was playin tendo
you just bought a benzo, gucci mane bought an enzo
drop top rarri, jumpin outta the window
rocks on my wrists like wilma had on the flinstones
money like a limo, same size as my timbo
whole lotta ammo, hottest nigga that i know
scrap like rambo, smokin [dj drop]
red charm jello, diamond chain mellow yellow
woke up in a mansion, but grew up in the ghetto
don't get twisted, gucci still keep a big o
whole lotta hollows, gucci i leave a peep hole

"I do not like heroics. I like tragedy, and even better, desolation. Heroism has strength, but no beauty, and thus seems to lack humanity. Tragedy, however, resembles the matching of bright red with deep green -- an intense and unequivocal contrast. And yet, it is more exciting than truly revelatory. The reason desolation resonates far more profoundly is that it resembles the conjunction of diamond chain mellow yellow with red charm Jell-O, creating an equivocal contrast."

"everything" is increasingly becoming my fav gucci song of 09

― waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

my fav track off 'writings on the wall'

― average dump from average gangsters (deej), Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:19 PM (1 week ago)

no joke his "well damn, well damn! adlibs MAKE this song, puts a smile on my face every time

also the more i think abt it the more i think WOTW was the best product he put out last year

ehh im not so into, like, 'pussy rehab'

"pussy rehab" isn't great but tity boi's first verse is actually hot imo, plus i'll take 1000 embarassingly sexual posse cuts over one "spotlight" or "more"

there are more so-so traxx on 'WOTW' that more than make up for 'more' on burrrprint which isnt so much bad as boring

money like a limo, same size as mutumbo*

ahh, that makes much more sense

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1634117/20100317/gucci_mane.jhtml

Burrrrrprint 2HD

"Gucci Speaks"
"Intro Live From Fulton County JailHD"
"Boy From the Block"
"Gucci Speaks/ Shawty Lo Speaks"
"Parked Outside"
"Gucci on the Rise"
"Rick Ross Speaks/ DJ Khaled Speaks"
"Do This Sh-- Again," featuring Yo Gotti and Rick Ross
"Everybody Looking"
"Yo Gotti Speaks"
"Coca Coca" featuring Rocko, OJ Da Juiceman, Waka Flocka, Shawty Lo, Yo Gotti and Nicki Minaj
"Gucci Speaks"
"Here We Go Again"
"Lil' Kim Speaks"
"Antisocial," featuring Mylah
"Beat It Up," featuring Trey Songz
"Gucci Speaks"
"911 Emergency"
"Alley Boy Speaks"
"How I'm Living," featuring Jim Jones
"Shining for No Apparent Reason," featuring Waka Flocka and Wooh Da Kid
"I'm So Tired of You"
"Outro Live From Fulton County JailHD"

haha, name scheme for this series is getting confusing, but who cares! wahoo

haha shining for no apparent reason: the wooh da kid story

lmao at that name

i'm so glad that gucci's call from jail was somehow taped in high definition

the strawberries are killing me -- also lol @ releasing a "sequel" to the third installment of something

http://cdn.nahright.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1017-brick-squad-presents-dj-holiday-gucci-mane-burrrprint-2-hd-nahright-450x450.jpg

I look forward to the Burrprint 1.

also lol @ him watching the "Lemonade" video

you really haven't made it in rap these days until there are a bunch of youtube vids with various other rappers 'speaking' or 'airing it out'

jordan this you? http://twitter.com/joaquinflocker

I must retire to my chambers. Otis of the Juice clan has retrieved some supple damsels, which will aid in my sleep along some Brandy.

haha no

my twitter avatar is a photo of zombie/vampire waka tho

http://www.mediafire.com/?0kdjxyghrmh

atlanta zoo feat luda

uhhhh? holy shit

good?

i'm obnoxious i'm flowin crazy i need to stop this
don't knock this you niggas lazy y'all need to watch this
preposterous if you could fathom how you could block this
my phantom was seen on calendar you ride the transit
no option you niggas can't act like y'all forget this
i'm tired boy switch up flow it's so monotous
it's my metropolis, i'll drop a twelve on you so colossus
my swag plus my drop top yellow jag s'why they gossip
i'm the nigga upload your twitter bitch i'm the topic
professin but gucci didn't graduate from college
your girlfriend says my ear rings are erotic
my lambo doors open upward they're robotic

unbelievable really. sorta has that 'technical exercise' aspect a la classical, esp the 'metropolis' part, but it's all awesome. the phrasing on 'swag plus my drop top yellow jag' is so nuts. and the growl during the last two lines, which are both incredible. asdfasf some next level shit, in my estimation!

also, as far as they go, that's a pretty hard twitter line

lol @ upload the twitter -- ghostwritten by my parents