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i guess i dont really understand what were arguing about

i'm just hijacking gbx's interesting opinions tbh. sorry if there's a thread for that.

i think there some situations where irresponsible young ladies take "the easy way out,"

I think this is 100% myth. It's the kind of thinking that goes along with "poor people are poor because they are lazy".

There are very few things that are 100% myth. The myth part of that is not that these women don't exist, it's that they make up anywhere near a sizable percentage of the women getting abortions.

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See, but the problem is, even if you believe one of these, you can neither protect that "unborn person's" rights, nor disallow an abortion, without violating the pregnant woman's right to sovereignty over her own body.

well, yes, i'd agree. that's why (and this in response, really, to max's suggestion that we continue the dialogue with the right), that the people that are sitting on the fence (ie - don't like abortions but grudgingly accept that they're out there ~legal or not~) might be swayed by suggesting that
--if you concede that some abortions should be legally allowed
--and if you think that the gov't shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the doctor/patient relationship (the govt should not have the right to disallow a person's access to care if they have it. receiving treatment (privately, at least) is no one's business). this is a ~real~ RIGHT TO LIFE
--then it follows that legislation that disallows some abortions and disallows others fundamentally violates that relationship. case closed.

now, people COULD then say that they're fine with abortions being legal, but that they don't want to pay for it. that's FINE. THAT is a political debate. i don't want my taxes supporting wars and the death penalty, but here we are.

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I think even the most hedonistic liberal harlot, even if she gets through weeks f physical pain w/o feeling any emotional sadness, still cries about it from time to time. It's a sad thing you know, even to those who have the abortions.

sadness does not always equal regret

"poor people are poor because they are lazy"

accepting that someone, somewhere, is poor because he or she is lazy is not the same as agreeing that yes, poor people are poor because they are lazy.

anyway, max: i'm not really arguing about anything! i'm on spring break and thinkin baout things. i was just trying to think of how the left can engage the right's constituency (not the politicians) in a dialogue on abortion that doesn't give ground on a woman's legal right to have one. THAT debate is over, and ought to remain that way. anyone that thinks we can renegotiate Roe or that we ought to, in a spirit of fair play, can gtfo imo, you are playing for the bad guys

Feeling bad afterward doesn't preclude you from being an irresponsible lady who thought she was taking the easy way out up until you had the procedure. It also doesn't automagically make you never consider having another abortion. You're building up just as much of a unicorn as the people you're decrying.

The fact of the matter is that the motive is immaterial; it is the woman's business and it should remain between her and her doctor unless she chooses otherwise.

women can have abortions but should be publicly whipped, shamed after

100% agree with this. this goes for pharmacists who don't want to fill birth control scripts as well.

― Mr. Que, Friday, March 19, 2010 10:01 AM (1 hour ago)

otm, i've made some enemies in pharm school by basically yelling at people who don't agree with this

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I kind of want to go to convert to Christian Scientist, go to pharmacy school and hold some poor pharmacy hostage by staunchly refusing to fill anyone's prescriptions for anything while alerting the news to my principled stance.

amid the lolz there is a core of potentially awesome protest logic in this. have no idea if there is a christian scientist/pro-choice overlap but it would be good to see.

now, people COULD then say that they're fine with abortions being legal, but that they don't want to pay for it. that's FINE. THAT is a political debate.

Which makes Stupak's demurrals all the more retarded.

automagically!

I mean yeah if "the easy way out" = "abortion", no questions asked, then it's kind of pointless of me to say it's not really all that easy for these people, or point out the hardships for someone going through the process.

Let's be clear. If a woman chooses to be a wanton harlot, it's still her choice to make. I wouldn't recommend being dumb about contraception and protection, but the moral argument that abortion encourages harlotry leaves me entirely cold.

"wanton harlot" = how nineteenth century of you!

what do you expect from a dandified fop

Not looking very dandified today - wearing blue jeans and a blue shirt. Maybe I just escaped from prison.

amused by your uncertainty on the issue

lol

time travelling debtor's prison escapee

i always find it hard to believe, but i guess representatives and senators who vote "yes" to HCR might pay a severe price in november.

i guess the only answer is pass HCR fast, and spent quality months rehabilitating the vote with constituents.

If only they could make things like discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and dropping coverage in the middle of when it's needed most, if they could make the most important and visible parts go into effect THE DAY they sign it, then wouldn't the voters have a nice 6 months of living w this new improved system before deciding if they hate it or not?

Daniel,

The result: Repeal 45%, expand 29%, leave as is 18%.

That essentially adds up to 45% against and 47% for.

voters are stupid they're gonna forget a lot of stuff about this bill once it's passed

If only they could make things like discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and dropping coverage in the middle of when it's needed most, if they could make the most important and visible parts go into effect THE DAY they sign it, then wouldn't the voters have a nice 6 months of living w this new improved system before deciding if they hate it or not?

Yeah, and I've got a bag of dicks I can sell you.

how exactly would they go about repealing a bill with a minority in both houses? even if they pick up one house?

also shakey otm

voters are stupid they're gonna forget a lot of stuff about this bill once it's passed

Voters aren't stupid – anyone who isn't ideologically aligned with a political party is an "independent" who's merely disenchanted with the party in power, and looking to punish whoever's in power.

Voters aren't stupid - -anyone who isn't ideologically aligned with a political party is an "independent" who's merely disenchanted with the party in power, and looking to punish whoever's in power

tea partiers are in this group, and i would call them stupid.

Tea baggers were never gonna support this anyway, so they're irrelevant.

they vote, and they're stupid. just sayin'

my understanding is that this is the thread where i can come if i wish to buy a bag of dicks

anyone who isn't ideologically aligned with a political party is an "independent" who's merely disenchanted with the party in power, and looking to punish whoever's in power.

nah I think these people are the stupidest of all, frankly

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Honestly, anyone willing to align themselves with the Tea Party axis is a mouth-breathing feeb. There's a difference between disagreeing with the controlling political party and being a batshit crazy racist; if you can't see that, you are an idiot (and also, as a bonus, a batshit crazy racist).

So if you're aren't aligned with one of these two main corporate shill parties you are stupid?

some people are stupid, and some people are not stupid, and some people vote, and other people dont vote

just people bein people

I think that if you can't read, you are stupid.

i notice lately (since i started running) that i breathe through my mouth. should i be worried?

Adam, are you dressed like Ben Franklin and standing in front of a courthouse with a megaphone?

dan picking on the easy option, unles they get someone to read that to them he gets off scot free

So if you're aren't aligned with one of these two main corporate shill parties you are stupid?

if you swing your vote between either party based solely on "those clowns in congress have done it again, what a bunch of clowns"-level understanding of how policy is implemented, you are stupid. and unfortunately, much of the time that's what being an "independent" voter in this country boils down to.

from everything i've read about the teabaggers, they are batshit crazy racists, *and* they want to punish the parties in power. so they'd fall under both categories. yay democracy!

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My vote's for sale to whichever candidate best meets my interests, and that includes Bach.

Can we get a price check on that bag of dicks?

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