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good times.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

jus tryina give people a lil healthcare, lets all be cool

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Like so much that comes slithering out of Congress, the Health Care Reform bill is an unwieldy, self-conflicted mess with some truly objectionable fannydangles. But it does have a few sops in it for the great mass of ordinary people who get sick and need medical care. The major one I can think of is the abolition of "pre-existing conditions" as a huge loophole for insurance companies to deny coverage.

Because this bill is so complex and filled with shadowy details, it seems best to wait and see how it is administered IRL. With luck, some super-bright staff person, liberal variety, has slipped in a few key paragraphs that will allow the administration the leeway to do good things, as it drafts the regulations that govern how they will get this steam donkey up and running.

Aimless, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

gop really playing with fire

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

gop firedance

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

totally thinking of going to the hill to investigate b/c of watching fox for the last hour (for the lulz) in which they're doing these v close-in shots of angry tea partiers. i have a hunch there are probably like a hundred protestors total still there, if that, but they're filming it to make it look like there's a ton of them

The lack of a public option is really shitty; I mean with all the venom the other side is throwing against this HCR bill, would it really be any worse if the public option was included? Because to the Tea Party idiots it may as well be in there now.

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

HCR reform will inspire civil war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM0SpOo-WZo&feature=player_embedded

what a yahoo.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

gop really playing with fire

in what respect? i mean, i have my own reasons for feeling this way; not sure they match yours.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Daria probably OTM about misrepresenting the number of protesters.

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

yah daria go down there do some citizen journalism 4 us, u have iphone? update on the go

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

be careful if you go.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

The lack of a public option is really shitty; I mean with all the venom the other side is throwing against this HCR bill, would it really be any worse if the public option was included? Because to the Tea Party idiots it may as well be in there now.

― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

unfortunately votes were not there on the dem side for even a weak version, much less the real deal

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

btw good resource http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/countdown-to-reform-wire

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Did Eric Cantor just say on the CNN that the Republicans have a much more "sensical" plan? As Ralph Wiggum might say, that's just totally unsensical.

clemenza, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

A civil war? These people don't know what in hell they are asking for. Oh, yes, by all means let us start killing one another in the streets; that'll cure everything wrong with this country, you betcha.

Aimless, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

in what respect? i mean, i have my own reasons for feeling this way; not sure they match yours.

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i just dont think its such a hot idea to cheer on ppl who are carrying signs indicating they would like to shoot the president!

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, that's my view, too. string all that footage together, and run on it in november.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

starting with the ass who threw money at the parkinson's suffer who was counter-protesting.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

lol hammer is hueg http://i42.tinypic.com/1izgh2.jpg

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

bravo, matthew yglesias.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Just saw a video of that on FOX, the democrats walking outside, and it looked like there were 30-40 people in the background. Whether they were protesting or just your standard tourists/people walking around at DC wasn't very easy to make out. I suspect all these nuts saying civil war and yelling racist slurs and things are basically 2 or 3 bad apples in a relatively small group of protesters that is being hugely misrepresented for purposes of keeping television audiences tuning in to see conflict and chaos.

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link

pelosi looking like a BAWSS

stannery row (m bison), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i get the feeling that the crowds of protesters are much smaller than is being suggested in some reports, but that the percentage of "bad apples" is much higher than "basically 2 or 3."

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link

New reports that Stupak is on board, etc.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

They've just played a shocking bit of footage from yesterday's Two Minutes Hate on Reps Clyburn, Frank and Lewis. Those shouty bigots are crazy and I hope the larger American public gets a critical mass moment that proves it without some horrific violent act in the mix, because right now the rest of the world is watching these idiots and collectively having a SMH fiesta.

Walking en masse through the protest is pretty fucking genius. Pelosi should've gone in for a Reservoir Dogs suit to better serve it cold.

ned ragú (suzy), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

video you can link?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

partly b/c some tea-party leader said those shouting yesterday were either made-up stories or democratic "plants" (can't recall which atm).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

they are the vocal edge of the silent majority

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i mean theres prob another 350 outside the frame that u cant see

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

courageous freedom-fighters, all of them

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Stupak To Hold Press Conference At 4

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

about 1000 protestors out there, not a lot
(shep finally asks the question)

Esq., it was played on Channel Four news and consisted of clips of all three passing on a landing that was covered in wingnuts yelling KILL THE BILL mostly, but I couldn't hear them yelling anything else. The reporter, Sarah Smith, said that slurs were hurled at 'former civil rights leaders' (she is daughter of the late Labour leader John Smith, trivia stans). It was VILE.

daria, so 500 or so really, right?

ned ragú (suzy), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYNV08ufTRI

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i42.tinypic.com/uld1s.jpg

this guy & the endless subdivisions of remaining speaker time are reminding me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfgRGW9Ghik

we just have to get over it that's science (schlump), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/03/health_care_reform_1

To a significant extent, Ms Pelosi is viewed negatively because Americans think of her as a loser. This impression is understandable when you look at the way mainstream media have covered this Congress, but it's utterly misplaced. She has presided over one of the most effective sessions in the history of the House, and if Congress finally passes health-care reform this weekend, she will have emerged the victor in the bloodiest battle America's legislature has seen since the impeachment of Bill Clinton, if not longer. Maybe people (Democrats, at least) will finally start giving her the credit she deserves.

caek, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

wait, waht? no. she's been portrayed as a symbol of "san francisco values." not as a loser.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link

don't people from san francisco hate her too?

caek, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ shep 'well, they're out there yelling. i guess it's a beautiful day to yell.'

that's jesse jackson jr - if he resumes moderating after this quick vote, it is worth watching. v entertaining! he is being kind of dramatic about it.

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,880 for "nancy peloser". (0.32 seconds)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

That's all?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

that's jesse jackson jr - if he resumes moderating after this quick vote, it is worth watching. v entertaining! he is being kind of dramatic about it.

there was this laurel and hardy esque exchange in which a republican was granted fragments of time, fifteen and ten seconds, to ask a question, but either a disorderly house or the mid-sentence gavel bang meant it was cut short. the next ten minutes were rotating requests from members asking if the time had been properly accorded. hilarious to watch though!

we just have to get over it that's science (schlump), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

"The Hill and Politico are reporting that a deal has been reached between the White House and anti-abortion Democrats led by Rep. Bart Stupak. From The Hill: "'We've changed [our votes],' said Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-Ohio).

Driehaus said he's seen the executive order and can now vote for the health care bill. He said Stupak has signed off, as well."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - so basically, now they're just doing stuff to piss the gop off? i missed that, flipping betw fox and the maryland game (TERPS! COME ON, MAN)

To a significant extent, Ms Pelosi is viewed negatively because Americans think of her as a loser.

this is wrong, imo/e

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp-Please please please tell me the "language" of the "executive order" was "vote yes or my daughters will bury your nearly unrecognizable corpses in the rose garden with their pink plastic fisher price shovels."

Fetchboy, Sunday, 21 March 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

americans just h8 congress a lot is one thing

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link


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