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mr.speakeriaskunanimousconsenttoreviseandextendmyremarksinoppositiontothisFLAWEDhealthcarebill.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

enjoying the way rep. jackson (jessie jackson's son, yes?) is handling this process. totally efficient, no-nonsense.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

As @RyanGrim notes, with the Stupak crowd in hand, Pelosi would now have had enough votes for a public option

yeah this makes absolutely no sense at all, because youve got the votes for this bill then youve got the votes for any bill? pelosi should totally legalize weed too, shes got the votes

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

This is why I haven't gotten a Twitter account.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't want to fool people into thinking I've got votes for a public option.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

with the stupak crowd now in hand, pelosi has the votes for mandating abortion across the kingdom

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

alfred have u been holding out on us, do u have the votes for a public option

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't speak for fear of releasing the silent pledges I've got to repeal DOMA.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

is there any talk of trying again for a public option in a few years, or after this is everyone going to bed with a pint of ice cream until ~2020 after this?

caek, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

apparently obama told lynch hed try for a public option next year but lol thats not going to happen. 2013 at the earliest id think.

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i have heard talk of this, no idea how serious it is, obvs if we get filibuster reform in the next congress depending on its shape a lot of people are gonna be thinking seriously abt a lot of stuff

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

me for example

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

like max

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

imo expanding medicare is a easier and better path than making some crazy new public option

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

It's the same thing, really.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

or after this is everyone going to bed with a pint of ice cream until ~2020 after this?

actually i'm boarding-up the house now, fearful of civil unrest, with ten tubs of phish food ice cream in the freezer.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

The Dems were such chickenshits last summer that instead of using the unparseable "public option" moniker they should have promoted "Medicare expansion." Everyone likes Medicare!

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

its the same thing ~in theory~

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i think i said this upthread!

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

to someone who knows congressional procedure: what is the purpose of this silly parade of GOP representatives "extending their remarks in opposition to this FLAWED health-care bill"?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

offffff, rep. bachman with the sly punch: extending her remarks in opposition to this DANGEROUS health-care bill!

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

the cool things abt medicare are: people like it, and it already existis; so you can just be like 'ok now all of you get medicare' and then go home

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Not Giving Up [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

FWIW: If my inability to get through to many House Democrat offices is any indication, many people are not giving up or in yet.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I suspect House Dem offices have caller ID.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

love the idea that congressional aides are racing to the house floor to breathlessly shouting at their bosses STOP STOP KATHRYN LOPEZ CALLED SHE SAID VOTE NO

max, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked one of the balloon juice headlines summarizing the current state of events: "All over but the spitting"

requiem for crunk (kingfish), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

DONT GIVE UP

ice cr?m, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Because you have friends.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.jeffzittrain.com/images/peter_gabriel_en_kate_bush_2.jpg

someone put K-Lo's face here plz

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Santorum's touch clearly thrilling her.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

speaker pelosi in case you check this thread ever I would once again like to tell you how completely hott you are lookin & the gigantor mjolnir gavel of doom sorta seals the deal so get at me N lets work something out, thx, jd

the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

republican closer -- rep. david dreier -- just quotes dennis prager!

isn't that dr. m's mentor?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

dennis prager: GOP hero.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

nah, dennis perrin

intersex retard (velko), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

bah. semantics.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

oh! david frum explains the 'waterloo' tweet:

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:

(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:

A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.

No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

What a disaster for the exaggeration of the magnitude of the disaster.

ksh, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Frum makes these apocalyptic pronouncements often, angling for -- what? No think tank will hire him.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I think I'll go throw up now.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

who the f--k is that?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Frum makes these apocalyptic pronouncements often, angling for -- what? No think tank will hire him.

Hey, there's always money in playing Cassandra.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost
A chronically attention-deprived idiot, possibly?

Aimless, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess Frum's resigned himself to never again getting on the NRO cruise.

itchy rainbolt (clotpoll), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

That Forrell stuff went around Balloon Juice this morning. Folks there alerted both the Secret Service and Twitter's legal counsel, I gather.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Where was this outrage during the Bush years?

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess it was harder to get on TV for saying the president is a Nazi back then...

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 21 March 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i think steyn's fuck it, we lost post is worth more than frum's. i don't know wtf these idiots expected, but they LOST, and that's all anyone's talking about right now. (david gergen on my tv right now calling pelosi one of the most powerful and effective speakers in history -- which is probably bullshit, but when the bullshit's going your way you just sit back and enjoy it, imo.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 21 March 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

If you take the view that the US is an imperialist aggressor, congratulations: You can cease worrying. But, if you think that America has been the ultimate guarantor of the post-war global order, it's less cheery. Five years from now, just as in Canada and Europe two generations ago, we'll be getting used to announcements of defense cuts to prop up the unsustainable costs of big government at home. And, as the superpower retrenches, America's enemies will be quick to scent opportunity.

"You mean we can kick out those Pizza Hut franchises now? Hey thanks!"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 March 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link


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