― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I kind of agree and ALL OF SCIENCE FICTION MOVIEMAKING TO THREAD EXCEPT FOR BLADERUNNER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GREAT AND BRILLIANT.
See, you're trying to apply the rule to the exception. No sir.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link
-- vahid (vfoz...)
haha i think you're talking about the Matrix, not Blade Runner.
"everything is there to make a point"
!?
i dont really think so, plotwise the film isn't as that concious of its intent, in fact it's rather all over the place (in that sense it is kind of shallow). reading the making of book shows you how much was come up with at the last minute or improvised by the actors. the main thing the movie is fully concious of is the look, the music, the atmosphere, the mise-en-scene. sure its pretentious, but it's beautiful.
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I will not accept shitting on ideas just because they're ideas. It's just anti-intellectualism in its purest form. You can throw a lot of stupid stereotypical labels as anything, but that doesn't make it a valid or smart thing to do.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah, exactly! its all kind of nonsensical but it sounds profound! in the best possible way.
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link
that actually is the weakest part of the film: the characters are mostly undersketched and the love story is somewhat forced and unconvincing. i think the replicants and the JR Sebastian character are the most 'human' and sympasthetic elements in the film. i think Roy is kinda supposed to be a creepy/ambiguous character while the other replicants are more childlike and innocent. (even Brion James as Leon is more like an angry toddler in a man's body than anything else)
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link
No, it's all shallow, to the core. What... being dumb is good? Stumbling cluelessly through life is a great and noble thing to do? Explain to me how this message is not particularly shallow.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link
see, kenan, even noted misanthrope philip k dick cared about caring. enough to work the theme into the title of the book!
idiot.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link
-- vahid (vfoz...), April 17th, 2006.
well, Blade Runner. but i love grand, impersonal sci-fi visions.
i like ET a lot though, it's the best kind of "saccharine", because it earns the tears and it comes from a genuine emotional place and understanding of being a kid.
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link
People think I'm a creep because I'm socially inept, not because I'm stupid.
― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah, latebloomer, see where i'm coming from, we get to see the man-child get shot but we don't get to see deckard crying over his dead electric sheep? weak priorities, dude.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link
did spielberg have anything to do w/ gump?
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 08:02 (eighteen years ago) link
I really want to watch this now but I don't own it. Like a fool I'm forever waiting for the never-come 2/3 disc spesh edish. But even then I'd miss the voiceover.
"Gaff had been there and let her live. Fours years he figured; he was wrong. I don't know how long we'll have together - who does?"*Music swells*
― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 17 April 2006 10:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I hear you there. (I do own the current DVD, at least.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link
u know we had to wait years in the uk for a proper cd release of the soundtrack. was it the same everywhere else too? over here there was only some silly ass orchstral version availabale instead, up until 1994 when the proper thing came out. easily my favourite soundtrack disc ever.
truly a crime that there isn't some triple dvd thing going on. a *crime*.
― piscesboy (piscesboy), Monday, 17 April 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Know what a turtle is Leon? Same Thing.
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link
I think what I loved most was the "near-reality" of it. Sure, it was way in the future, there were flying cars, etc, but it somehow looked plausible and real - rain, crowded streets packed with advertising messages, etc. Which reminds me - why has no-one made umbrellas with the neon shaft? I'd totally use one of those. Sometimes I walk through Chinatown in Toronto and get a very BR vibe...
Biggest thing that used to baffle me was the replicant count conversation at the police station, the cop saying six "skin jobs" escaped, and then later there was a disrepancy between his and Deckard's 'count'... I'm having trouble remembering it all now (been a while), but I never really straightened that out in my head, since it didn't seem to add up (is that more "Deckard is a replicant" stuff?).
There are some pretty OTT cheesy lines in the script, mainly the police/crime story element - "You're not cop you're little people", etc. But there is just soooo much else to love about this film.
Live... in the offworld colonies!
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Queen Gforvagina not for vangelis, Monday, 17 April 2006 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link
vahid, I can see your point about the nerdy focus on certain elements in this film or Dick's relatively unrelated work, but I really don't think absence of empathy with women is evidence of misogyny.
― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Yup.
You really need to read the Sammon book, m'friend. ;-) (In brief -- originally there were a total of sex replicants; the first to die, Mary, was to have died 'naturally' in the company of the rest as an introduction to the film. The second died in the attack on Tyrell Corporation, and the rest are in the film. They recorded a loop at the time to fix it, but the results didn't look good on-screen in terms of lip-movement and synchronization.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link
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Anyway, Vahid's got a lot of good points. In flipping through the Sammon book again last night I remembered how Scott and company's areas of critique-as-such re: society, sexism, etc. were so encoded into the film or presented so flatly/subtly that whatever meaning was intended was by and large lost -- no matter what Scott implies or has said, I don't think it's strictly the audience's fault for missing much of it, narration or no narration. The film's not unsuccessful for all that, I feel.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link