what is the most masculine genre of music?

heh seandalai said it much better than I did (funnily enough a lot of extreme metal guys love IDM, its amazing the amount of metalheads that love aphex,squarepusher etc)

I mean even the goriest death metal has a ring of sad, insular, misunderstood dude either making sense of an icky world, lashing out at it, or testing out its boundaries to piss off the religious right

the most masculine genre of music is New York hardcore, easy.

power electronics

I saw that band Full Blown Choad at Ozzfest and the lead-singer literally dedicated a song to all the "cunts" that fucked him over

gabber always seemed really masculine to me. And funnily enough, sexless too.

whiney w/the 100% truth-bomb in re: NYHC

so much NYHC is about LITERALLY about chest puffing and chest thumping, getting scary tattoos and being STRONG and I WILL BE HEARD

Isn't the reviewer saying that "extreme metal" is asexual rather than masculine? By which he means that metal doesn't talk about sex much?

If he is, he's an asshat

I saw that band Full Blown Choad at Ozzfest and the lead-singer literally dedicated a song to all the "cunts" that fucked him over

In the UK, 'cunts' is a insult that can be (and is) directed at both sexes. Don't know about the US.

In the UK, 'cunts' is a insult that can be (and is) directed at both sexes. Don't know about the US.

this is a whole different discussion but the fact that a term referring to a woman's sex organ now stands in as a general term of abuse doesn't mean that the use of the term isn't misogynist

imo

Yes, that is a whole different discussion!

I saw that band Full Blown Choad at Ozzfest and the lead-singer literally dedicated a song to all the "cunts" that fucked him over

― batlike darkwing cartoonduck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 April 2010 14:33 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is sort of lol cos if this was a British band most people would assume he was talking about guys

xps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Complexity

and dont start a poll about sharon osbourne not knowing it means something else in the US :(

yeah, Im not sure I've ever heard it directed at girls much. However I have heard plenty of girl neds calling guys a cunt.

but yes, that's another discussion.

in the US it's probably like the worst thing to say next to pulling a KKKramer.

can we not have a 700 post discussion on why some words are wildly offensive in the US but not in the jolly old UK and get to the actual discussion here

agreed

so yeah, the macho posturing of NYHC is so much more offensive and misogynist to me than the EC Comics jokey button-pushing of Cannibal Corpse's "Fucked With A Knife" or whatev

gay fascist muscle disco

dj mencap what was that uk chavcore band that had lyrics about stomping their reeboks in faces? had a really stupid chorus that went like stomp stomp kick or something. I think I posted about it once but I forget where.

wow that review in the original post is all over the place

xp TRC at a guess?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LBU

have the blackout crew been informed?

loooool tiarnan otm

When I saw Ludicra last year, it seemed to me that their female vocalist's gutwrenching howls came from traumatic memories of sexual abuse. I may be totally wrong, but that's the feeling I got. As much as certain musicians like to think themselves as transcending gender, transcending their humanity, or even as sub-human, in the end they're just fucked up animals wailing about their pain.

????

O_o

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*sharp intake of breath*

in the end, we are fucked up animals

plenty of chicks at the primordial gig i went to see. thing is extreme metal styles are pretty theatrical on the whole, with bands like cradle of filth attracting a large female following (maybe one of the reasons they're generally shunned by "true" metal fans).

When I saw Ludicra last year, it seemed to me that their female vocalist's gutwrenching howls came from traumatic memories of sexual abuse. I may be totally wrong, but that's the feeling I got.

you sort of need more than "that's the feeling I got" for something like this i.e. lyrics or backstory

Women's intuition

she had a rag of scarlet cloth that assumed the shape of the letter "A"

plenty of chicks at the primordial gig i went to see. thing is extreme metal styles are pretty theatrical on the whole, with bands like cradle of filth attracting a large female following (maybe one of the reasons they're generally shunned by "true" metal fans).

went to an immortal show this week and was surprised at how many women were there. was expecting an all dude affair.

the only two ppl i know went for sure to see immortal in ny were chix.

nyhc is def the most masculine shit ever. i have my radio show every week after a few old nyhc dudes from like the cro mags & murphy's law or w/e. they are super macho, masculine dudebros. they drink corona and slap each other on the back, talk about hahdcaw.

If you're talking about audiences, in my experience, improv tends to be pretty masculine: assuming there's anyone there at all!

hahaha.

with bands like cradle of filth attracting a large female following (maybe one of the reasons they're generally shunned by "true" metal fans).

More likely because they're a joke tbh ;)

in general, the noise and idm shows I've been to have had fewer women attending than metal shows

I remember calling no fun fest "no girls fest" when describing it to people one year

Was at a Peter Brotzmann gig the other week and there were three women there, I thought that was a pretty good turn out by the ladeez

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anz_kVX3KGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7X_BVj3Mfs

btw those ninebar lyrics for "read these boks"

"I'LL KICK YA FUCKING NOSE OFF, STOMP, STOMP, LEFT, STOMP, STOMP, RIGHT, I'LL BOX IN YA FACE TILL THERES NO TEETH LEFT!"

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 23:32 (8 months ago)

^ not NYCHC but UKHC

too british. not masculine enough.

Bet you wouldn't say that to their face..

why are violence and aggression considered 'masculine' traits

I think being a fuckin' corndog is a more masculine trait.

And it's not like you never see a chick eatin' a corndog.

http://yosoylachamuca.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/corndog.jpg

ya'll are trippin - have you ever considered that your prejudice is just due to the way your conception of gender has been constructed by society

look inside yourself

RELEASE THE KRAKEN

I am absolutely certain that a combination of biological urge and societal artifact are what cause me to view violence and aggression as masculine traits.

Contrary to what has been postulated in outdated studies and by certain sections of the media, aggressive behaviour is not typically seen in hypogonadal men who have their testosterone replaced adequately to the eugonadal/normal range. In fact, aggressive behaviour has been associated with hypogonadism and low testosterone levels and it would seem as though supraphysiological and low levels of testosterone and hypogonadism cause mood disorders and aggressive behaviour, with eugondal/normal testosterone levels being important for mental well-being.

"news-medical.net"

seems like a reliable website!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life/spirituality/self-help/Testosterone-leads-to-fairness-not-aggression/articleshow/5318244.cms

xpost

premiere website for advice to pharmacists iirc

A low testosterone level can cause a lot of problems in men, particularly in terms of sexual performance. Essentially, testosterone is the hormone that helps fuel a man's sex drive. Low levels can affect mood, sexual desire, and physical and sexual performance.

http://www.testosteroneformula.com/

http://www.testosteroneformula.com/assets/images/testarol_header.jpg

A low hamburger level can cause a lot of problems in men, particularly in terms of sexual performance. Essentially, hamburger is the hormone that helps fuel a man's sex drive. Low levels can affect mood, sexual desire, and physical and sexual performance.

fairness: a scientifically proven masculine trait

BTW THE ANSWER IS RIOT GRRL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhqaBgGiqrc

http://gentlebear.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/pfs.jpg

Moreover the study shows that the popular wisdom that the hormone causes aggression is apparently deeply entrenched: those test subjects who believed they had received the testosterone compound and not the placebo stood out with their conspicuously unfair offers. It is possible that these persons exploited the popular wisdom to legitimate their unfair actions.

gender roles be gettin' entrenched

http://www.zible.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/px_milkman_phranc.jpg

http://www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/wp-content/uploads/phranc-ps.jpg

what this thread needed was a scott seward image bomb

it's ilx's periodic purgative

try scott seward today--available at your local chemist!

http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/gallery/data/media/11/withphranc.jpg

image bombers should be banned

http://ferron.com/ferron.jpg

why is it that artificial/social constructs have such a negative connotation w/in the context of sociology? lines like "gender is a social construct" and "race is a social construct" get trotted out as evidence that gender and race relations are deeply fucked and deeply out of step with the natural order of things. but if our society ever manages to completely redefine gender and race roles so that they have nothing to do with oppression and privilege, won't these new roles be just as artificial and just as constructed as they once were?

it seems like a lot of feminists and anti-racists (including me, a lot of the time) maintain that if only humanity were freed from those pesky rules of social conduct, it would naturally veer toward egalitarianism ...which is a pretty shaky position to hold, seeing as no one has the slightest idea what a "natural," pre-social human condition would look like. it's far safer, imo, to assume that race and gender relations will always be 99% socially constructed no matter how oppressive or enlightened they may become.

― broa super (unregistered), Friday, April 2, 2010 12:32 AM (16 hours ago

i don't really think ppl say any of that. I mean i think its impossible to say what the natural order of things really is because it is impossible to just step outside of society/culture or scientifically remove its influence and see what's left. I think what I mean at least is that the society that we have built out of these constituent parts has consistently engendered inequality, racism, domination, you know a lot of bad shit. Instead of casting off the oppression of gender roles i think whats called for is a recasting of those roles in a way that is more conducive to equality/egalitarianism etc. In this way its helpful to understand gender constructs as being constructs because it does not fall back on nature to give legitimacy to patriarchy/racism/homophobia etc.

in summary:
http://www.testosteroneformula.com/assets/images/testarol_header.jpg

plax, you are killing it here and it is awesome.

seconded, yeah. saying "social construct" isn't a criticism of something being unnatural -- it's more like opening a window. once you recognize that something is constructed, then you have the option of trying to re-construct it in a way that's fairer or less hurtful or offers people more freedom.

(i.e., instead of going "but that's just the way it is and you can't expect us not to do/believe these things!")

whoa how did we get this far in the thread without discussing the idea that some men are afflicted with "hypergonadism"?

oh medicine, your power to amuse will never cease

that was totally my bad, I was going to bring that up but got sidetracked into being serious due to being totally infuriated by unironic embracing of a pretty disgusting and totally mutable status quo

http://i.imgur.com/lOT7Z.gif

totally^^^^^