what is the most masculine genre of music?

loooool tiarnan otm

When I saw Ludicra last year, it seemed to me that their female vocalist's gutwrenching howls came from traumatic memories of sexual abuse. I may be totally wrong, but that's the feeling I got. As much as certain musicians like to think themselves as transcending gender, transcending their humanity, or even as sub-human, in the end they're just fucked up animals wailing about their pain.

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*sharp intake of breath*

in the end, we are fucked up animals

plenty of chicks at the primordial gig i went to see. thing is extreme metal styles are pretty theatrical on the whole, with bands like cradle of filth attracting a large female following (maybe one of the reasons they're generally shunned by "true" metal fans).

When I saw Ludicra last year, it seemed to me that their female vocalist's gutwrenching howls came from traumatic memories of sexual abuse. I may be totally wrong, but that's the feeling I got.

you sort of need more than "that's the feeling I got" for something like this i.e. lyrics or backstory

Women's intuition

she had a rag of scarlet cloth that assumed the shape of the letter "A"

plenty of chicks at the primordial gig i went to see. thing is extreme metal styles are pretty theatrical on the whole, with bands like cradle of filth attracting a large female following (maybe one of the reasons they're generally shunned by "true" metal fans).

went to an immortal show this week and was surprised at how many women were there. was expecting an all dude affair.

the only two ppl i know went for sure to see immortal in ny were chix.

nyhc is def the most masculine shit ever. i have my radio show every week after a few old nyhc dudes from like the cro mags & murphy's law or w/e. they are super macho, masculine dudebros. they drink corona and slap each other on the back, talk about hahdcaw.

If you're talking about audiences, in my experience, improv tends to be pretty masculine: assuming there's anyone there at all!

hahaha.

with bands like cradle of filth attracting a large female following (maybe one of the reasons they're generally shunned by "true" metal fans).

More likely because they're a joke tbh ;)

in general, the noise and idm shows I've been to have had fewer women attending than metal shows

I remember calling no fun fest "no girls fest" when describing it to people one year

Was at a Peter Brotzmann gig the other week and there were three women there, I thought that was a pretty good turn out by the ladeez

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anz_kVX3KGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7X_BVj3Mfs

btw those ninebar lyrics for "read these boks"

"I'LL KICK YA FUCKING NOSE OFF, STOMP, STOMP, LEFT, STOMP, STOMP, RIGHT, I'LL BOX IN YA FACE TILL THERES NO TEETH LEFT!"

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 23:32 (8 months ago)

^ not NYCHC but UKHC

too british. not masculine enough.

Bet you wouldn't say that to their face..

What does Bill Magill have to say on the matter

I look forward to the STOMP, STOMP, LEFT, STOMP, STOMP, RIGHT, I'LL BOX IN YA FACE TILL THERES NO TEETH LEFT! choreography being used by Simon Cowell for his next XFactor winner. Think the dance could take off?

shouldn't have thought so

daf

the amount of girls who show up to something isn't exactly any indication of whether something is "masculine" or not tho

I could see it working on the school playgrounds during a game of British Bulldog

xps

donahue: the most masculine daytime talk show host

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfoVyTnz0g

"I don't what some dude in a $300 suit can no what haadcaw's about"

STOMP, STOMP, LEFT, STOMP, STOMP, RIGHT, I'LL BOX IN YA FACE TILL THERES NO TEETH LEFT!

isn't that the cheat code for that thing in super mario

the amount of girls who show up to something isn't exactly any indication of whether something is "masculine" or not tho

Of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1pcEtHI_w

What does Bill Magill have to say on the matter

― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Thursday, April 1, 2010 11:33 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Im a fan of bands like Alice Cooper and Blue Oyster Cult, who didnt have to be "masculine" to be fucking badass, so anytype of hyper-masculinity is unimpressive to me. That being said, Pantera, COC and some of those southern metal dudes maybe could be candidates for this thread.

Metal, prog and jazz require a some pencil-armed dude who's spent time practicing scales 'n shit, time that could have been better spent playing street hockey and eating Dunkin Munchkins and trimming your fingernails far past the cuticle.

this might be some subgenre of atonal music with an autistic fixation on complexity above all else, maybe idm or death metal or mathrock or something, with more performatively masculine genres often veering into kitsch

lumpen provincial hxc or thrash would win in terms of simple aggressiveness or misoygny though

misogyny, maybe

Orthrelm's OV is pretty masculine by your criteria

so uh by some of your definitions masculine=technical? because that seems weird to me.

yeah you should elaborate on that

something like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_male_brain

i suppose? the privileging of internal logic over, you know, more obviously meretricious elements of music like tunes or w/e

I realise it's inevitable to an extent but there's def some conflation of 'masculinity' and 'things prominently practised by guys' here

^^^tip of hat to that DN, gotta say

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idk, i think that resigning the idea of technicality to some sort of masculine trait is prob more sexist than most anything else on this thread. its prob something that hits me in the wrong spot in particular tho, because i spend lots of my time at work trying to dispel the whole "girls are only allowed to play strummy acoustic guitar" stereotypes.

not trying to be mr dude feminist here or anything

"by men for men in a manly male ecstasy" sounds v

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like i said

ha, I didn't read the thread past that phrase. you otm.

I thought there would have been more comments on this part:

In pop music, unisex is unusual. Hip-hop, for example, includes a ton of women—but most of them are background singers or R & B vocalists making guest appearances. Female MCs often rap about subjects rooted in femaleness: wearing lip gloss, being ultrahot, screwing or not needing to screw guys. Women in hip-hop also tend to be glammed up like Foxy Brown, so you can't miss the important bits—if they dress like Missy Elliot, they come across as deliberately butch. Even in a genre like grunge, which has roots in metal, gender differences remain important—which is why the awesomely guttural early-90s Sub Pop band Dickless named themselves Dickless and wrote songs with names like "The C-Word" and "Saddle Tramp."

why is it that artificial/social constructs have such a negative connotation w/in the context of sociology? lines like "gender is a social construct" and "race is a social construct" get trotted out as evidence that gender and race relations are deeply fucked and deeply out of step with the natural order of things. but if our society ever manages to completely redefine gender and race roles so that they have nothing to do with oppression and privilege, won't these new roles be just as artificial and just as constructed as they once were?

it seems like a lot of feminists and anti-racists (including me, a lot of the time) maintain that if only humanity were freed from those pesky rules of social conduct, it would naturally veer toward egalitarianism ...which is a pretty shaky position to hold, seeing as no one has the slightest idea what a "natural," pre-social human condition would look like. it's far safer, imo, to assume that race and gender relations will always be 99% socially constructed no matter how oppressive or enlightened they may become.

― broa super (unregistered), Friday, April 2, 2010 12:32 AM (16 hours ago

i don't really think ppl say any of that. I mean i think its impossible to say what the natural order of things really is because it is impossible to just step outside of society/culture or scientifically remove its influence and see what's left. I think what I mean at least is that the society that we have built out of these constituent parts has consistently engendered inequality, racism, domination, you know a lot of bad shit. Instead of casting off the oppression of gender roles i think whats called for is a recasting of those roles in a way that is more conducive to equality/egalitarianism etc. In this way its helpful to understand gender constructs as being constructs because it does not fall back on nature to give legitimacy to patriarchy/racism/homophobia etc.

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plax, you are killing it here and it is awesome.

seconded, yeah. saying "social construct" isn't a criticism of something being unnatural -- it's more like opening a window. once you recognize that something is constructed, then you have the option of trying to re-construct it in a way that's fairer or less hurtful or offers people more freedom.

(i.e., instead of going "but that's just the way it is and you can't expect us not to do/believe these things!")

whoa how did we get this far in the thread without discussing the idea that some men are afflicted with "hypergonadism"?

oh medicine, your power to amuse will never cease

that was totally my bad, I was going to bring that up but got sidetracked into being serious due to being totally infuriated by unironic embracing of a pretty disgusting and totally mutable status quo

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totally^^^^^