'Jackie Brown' is a great fucking movie.

that one scene where the car leaves and comes back and the camera just stays in the same spot is awesome

the camera is lifted or whatever but the whole effect it gets is great

so chill with the ad hominem attacks you rapist

Ok that's kind of funny.

Ripped the whole movie, and was just about to whittle it down to a little animated gif, but decided that it wouldn't be funny enough without the punchline at the end: DeNiro saying, "That hit the spot."

Followed by a brief scene of Robert Forster in a record store buying a cassette. Which made me sad, because I bought so many cassettes in so many record stores, and now those stores don't exist at all.

Yeah, I watched the whole movie again. It sucks you in. It's that good.

RG: My favourite film you've made is 'Jackie Brown', and I was sorry to hear you were cool on it.

QT: I have never talked bad against Jackie Brown!

RG: But you said it was the film you felt most distanced from while you were making it.

QT: That's true, but that did not mean that I don't love Jackie Brown. No, no, no, no, not at all. This comes up, and I couldn't love Jackie Brown more. However - when I was making it there was a slight… Let me put it like this. With Inglourious Basterds, every aspect of it is a product of my imagination. Until I filled up those 160 pages, there was no Inglourious Basterds, it was completely created by me: the characters, the backstory, mythology, even the stuff that never finds its way into the movie but which I know about. Now, Jackie Brown is not that way. As different as the movie is from the book, there is a second-hand quality to it. It is Elmore Leonard's. I completely made it my own. Having said that, it did already exist. And I didn't know I'd have that feeling until when I was in post-production, and I found myself losing patience with the process. And that's the hardest part for me, when you're kind of over it, and you still have to do colour timing; the sound mix gets wonderful and sounds like a proper movie, but it's also hard work getting there.

RG: Is there a sense in which a person whose favourite movie of yours is 'Jackie Brown' could be said to not really 'get' you and what you're about?

QT: No. I love Jackie Brown. Although I do actually think, truthfully, that it's easy to call Jackie Brown my best movie. It's easy.

RG: How so?

QT: Well, there's a maturity to it that you can very officially hang your hat on. It's dealing with older characters. And the three-dimensional aspects of the movie… well, it's become almost revisionist among critics to love that. I was not given that much credit for the long, three-dimensional aspects at the time. When the movie came out, it was like, “Get fucking to it. Get on with it.” Now everyone seems to feel differently about it. That's not me being a smartass. The thing about Jackie Brown is that it gains a tremendous amount upon second, third, fourth viewings, and people had to go through that. And now they're there.

The thing is - and I'm being a bit of a smartass here, but in a fun way - that was literally what I always intended. I always intended Jackie Brown to be like Rio Bravo, which I feel is a great 'hangout' movie. Jackie Brown is a hangout movie. And that was always intended. I'm sincere about this. I thought that, if you liked Jackie Brown, then maybe it'd be a movie you'd watch every three years or every five years, and when you did, it would be almost like Jackie and Ordell and Max Cherry would be your friends, and you'd hang out with them every time you watched it. Dazed and Confused is a movie like that. So I always knew it'd take years for people, if they liked it, to get a sense of what I was doing.

At the same time, you know, if you watch Pulp Fiction tomorrow, you would go, “Wow, look at what he did here.” I mean, the experiments I did in that movie are still very bold. My point being: it's very easy to say Jackie Brown is your favourite. Look, I'm not trying to talk you out of that, but take a look at some of the other ones again and… you know, it's easy to take the others for granted.

Jackie Brown is a hangout movie.

Spoken like someone to whom "hanging out" means nothing more than watching movies.

I take his point, but fuck it, it's even more my favorite having just watched it again. I like the way that Elmore Leonard gives it a paperback structure that QT would have avoided otherwise. I love that is has these chapters, and that each of them end with some majorly punchy dialog and a fade-out. As a movie, it's a real page-turner.

will possibly be the last good one we see from him, unless he does more adaps.

Did I just hear you say that QT made a good movie?

It's a GOOD movie, but ...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 8, 2006 4:53 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha Ok.

Tarantino is/was the most overhyped talented person on the planet

he's undeniably talented, and i don't think he's the most overhyped, but i do think he's plenty overhyped. his biggest strengths: snappy dialogue and style. but many times his movies aren't much beyond those two elements, and there's an unseemly quality to them that gets grating.

having said that, i like tarantino's films. i just rented inglorious bastards. the revisionist-history and revenge-aspect of the film appeals to me as a jewish man.

"I'm being a bit of a smartass here, but in a fun way"

Off topic, maybe, but I'd LOVE to see a Tarantino adaptation of Swag, set in '70s Detroit before every liquor store had a surveillance camera. The city could use the money, and T could use another good coffee break of a movie, which that book is even truer to than Rum Punch. And maybe he could improve the ending--as he did with Rum Punch. Jackie Brown's not a great movie for me because it just doesn't feel like it's really happening most of the time--I thought Forster and Grier were "pretty good," but every scene with Samuel L. Jackson crackles.

I love the cool dive bars Jackie, Odell, and Louis hang out at.

Sam Jackson's best performance? Part of why he's so pissed off is that all the people he genuinely likes (Louis, Jackie, Max) fuck him over.

no still a boring superfly minstrel bit

does Ordell genuinely like any of those three? I definitely don't think he likes Max, Louis to him is a shell of his former friend ... Jackie, maybe, but idk. It's a great character - obviously psychopaths have to be charming but I don't think they're often made to be this personable.

Maybe--certainly tied with Jungle Fever and Pulp Fiction. Slight disagreement on your formulation of Odell's anger. Jackie, yes, but I wouldn't say Louis fucks him over, not intentionally--Louis just screws up, and Odell kills him out of exasperation with his stupidity--and I'm not sure he likes Max, either. He's wry and sarcastic the first time in Max's office ("Oh, it's like that, is it?"), and when he's sitting in the car looking evil and hateful while Johnny Cash plays, some of that hate's reserved for Max.

ah, this thread. good times.

nah, Morbs: minstrels aren't this three dimensional and don't boast Jackson's hair.

To me it's clear he respects Max's sangfroid and hidden layers ("I didn't know you liked the Delfonics"), and it's clearer in their last exchange in the car before walking into Max's office. Ordell's scared but when he gives Max a last chance to explain himself it sounds like he genuinely wants to believe this guy wouldn't fuck him over.

i'd put it behind jungle fever but a hair ahead of pulp fiction. it's a shame jackson has generally spent most of his post-breakthrough career to hackwork, though i guess i can understand if you have to wait until twenty years into yr career for that breakthrough (as late as 1990 he's still doing glorified extra roles like 'taxi dispatcher' and 'black guy') that as soon as the opportunity comes you might go right for the paychecks. is 1997 the last year he could be said to have given a damn w/ jackie brown and eve's bayou? he's given some fun performances since obv (this year even) but nothing exceptional or worthy.

c/ping this from the other tarantino thread because otm:

Like it a lot. Esp. QT's sneaky commentarty on De Niro's career:
Sam Jackson sitting in car with De Niro: "Mannn, you used to be beautiful." Shoots him.

Jackie Brown's obsession with the black suit was pretty ace too.

― Omar, Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:00 PM (11 years ago) Bookmark

de niro is so great in this film

i love his outfits

Better every time and QT's best movie by a million fuckin miles

if you just watched this we were in sync

a thing i appreciates this time was forster's sweeping thanks-i-found-my-bag gesture to the store clerk; he puts all the excitement he's concealing into it

i didn't hear you wash your hands

I think much more highly of Reservoir Dogs than number none, but I'd agree it's his best. I'll never understand why he abandoned the (not quite sure how to phrase this, but...) unadorned seriousness of the Grier-Forster relationship and went back, apparently permanently, to a kind of show-offy flash he'd already exhausted.

great fucking movie...or... fucking great movie? you decide

There is some fucking, but--as Bridget Fonda's character will attest to--it's very perfunctory.

i like slj's delusions of grandeur in this: he acts like a kingpin but his big macguffin is only half a mil and all of his henchmen are women whose rent he pays (and dumb stoned deniro). the money's just as transformative for him as it is for jackie/max. he can get a place even better than that lil beach house w the tiny tv.

great fucking movie...or... fucking great movie? you decide

Three minutes later...

michael keaton's mounting exasperation in this scene is such a little masterpiece of comic timing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_ip79SGVLo

Jackie's euphoric expression when she puffs on first post-jail cig

keaton's shitbird costume in that movie is so perfect

The most poignant part of the movie is realizing in their last scenes that Ordell genuinely likes Max or at least respects him and is thus devastated that he might be pulling a fast one.

had no idea Michael Bowen (who played the lapd detective in this) was uncle jack in breaking bad.

Yeah, that dude is a total chameleon.

No other Val dude can touch him.

favorite part is near the end, when Jackie's sitting at Max's desk, rehearsing how to relax and then suddenly pull the gun out of the drawer.

"That hit the spot"

i like it when jackie says "boo ya"

"Why don’t you be a good hostess and hook a brother up a screwdriver?"

Odell tapping his fingernails on his screwdriver, trying to interest jackie.

The stoned concentration Louis puts into untangling the telephone cord

Bridget Fonda. Rowrrrr.

Pam Grier - what a beauty! Who knows what to watch earlier in her career?

her "Cosby Show" appearance.

Foxy Brown