Abbott's Comix

btw can you find "The Uncertainty of the Poet" in 2x of these?

happy to say that just1n3 and i are publishing some of abbott's comix in the near future. rad!

^rad!

Abbott, you're really talented. These are very good.

These are great!

also Abbott's grasp of handwritten font is pretty superb,

a) this is some nonsense tautology
b) do you mean her lettering?

a) no, because b) yes - I mean her ability to letter with consistency in a number of different styles - almost like typed fonts, but handwritten

so, who are a few good letterers (iyo) and bad letterers (iyo) that you're scaling against?

(PS a) yes because a font is specifically not handwriting, and this is not a hand-designed font like _____ or ______ or ______ )

I just mean I like the styles of lettering she's able to conjure! It's not a competition! Jeez! Although she does reference William Blake...

well, as long as you know what you're talking about.

v. important to always kno what ur talking abt.

how come every thread on this website devolves into an argument about fonts

I can see why sic is getting all skeptical bcz 0.3 of the time what I wrote is borderline illegible.

^ knows what she is talking about

also: superb, carry on, etc

These are rad and I wd totally buy a book! Kind of excited at the promise of one, actually.

Nah I’m not fronting on you Abbott – I dig Campbell and McCay and the Bunch, y'know! I just thought since Louis’s dropping inherently comparative terms like “superb” wrt specifics of your lettering, this could open a fruitful avenue for further ILC discussion – like is creativity at designing different styles for different speakers and modes, and using those consistently across a story or oeuvre – say in the mode of Abe Kanegson, Dave Sim, Todd Klein, Gaspar Saladino, Dan Clowes – a marker of excellence (if not superbity*) here, or is LJ (or IKR or E3!) thinking more along the lines of Panter, Ellsworth, Furie... a looseness that matches the brut aspects of the art, if you like? I’m usu. the only person to ever mention lettering here*, would be really good to get some more talk from people that have considered opinions about the integration of text and art

*and then mainly just noting works I found literally unreadable do to their placement in a post-Starkings p-line world!

whoa ok I did not know with whom I was fucking back there

you take BACK your lettering compliment!

I basically meant I really dig how A's writing looks, and how it can change character depending on its situation and retain a strong voice...I am *not* an expert, and if there's a debate with specifics, I'm lost. However, I'm glad sic enforced some descriptive rigour on my part; that's always welcome.

do to

argh shoot me

LJ (or IKR or E3!)

or ZS!

also I lost the first asterisk, obv

sic, post some examples! :)

abbott these are awesome

also: you should have chosen nik fiend for nick #3

nick knox!

they're good is what they are.

NIK FIEND! Oh Crütz, it would have fit so well.

sic in no way did I think you were fronting on me or my lettering. I seriously am sometimes illegible, and just lazY (like first panel of "suicider prevention comics," not whiting out mangled word "attention" and redoing it so it's legible but just reglossing it on the next line in parentheses, which is like next level lazy). I could say a lot of things about the formation of letters as a mood element, and a visual element, or as "the third mind," but I could say them a lot better in an IRL soapbox after a couple of beers than I could by typing them here. Save to say one of the things I am giving to YTTH I originally did the text with an actually typeface, and never have I felt artistically wronger, or more false, or more sterile.

What I mean is, I plan to redo the words by hand.

It might bear noting that at the time I had this personal aesthetic theory (for myself, not rly to be applied elsewhere) that typos, and mistakes, and etc., should never be changed and always laid bare. That they added a sort of humane (=flawed) honesty and richness to written affairs. In drawing mistakes get turned into other things, but you can't really do that with words. – they're not at all viusually flexible. Leaving writing errors bare seemed to introduce to words the element I liked in drawing of "aw damn I drew this mouth all wrong, I guess I'll make it into an elephant coming out of a teapot."

By hand-lettering you've already leapt past the slothocracy of cut&paste webcomics. HIGH FIVES!

Guys, I just read a book on how to make comics and my mind is blown. This is going to sound really, incredibly stupid and naive (and it is): I didn't know people drew comics at bigger sizes than usual. This explains so much.

Scott McCloud wants you to make comix Abbott

what about comics with bigger pens than usual?
http://projectsite.unitedstatesartists.org/project/giant_steel_dip_pen_and_penholder_for_demonstration_and_display?sms_ss=facebook

What book was it, Abbott?

most comic bk art was drawn '2 up' (ie 2 times larger than the printed page) until the late 1960s, when it went '1 and a half up' (it has pretty much stayed there ever so since) - you can really notice the difference w/ jack kirby's comics, for example.

some artists - i'm struggling to think of examples, other than trevor von eeden of all ppl - DO draw 'same size'. maybe (sic) will know if or how image size makes a diff to strips created on a computer, where there is no physical page as such.

Chris Weston draws same size, then blows it up to submission size and re-inks it. I have a Ministry of Space page that proves it.

That's crazy, Weston's work is super-detailed.

Not that I doubt you, I just find it crazily surprising.

The book was, in fact, Scott McCloud's Making Comics. And, that is an interesting fact, Ward. I had been drawing everything same size, which I think is pretty obvious? It's really hard to write legibly that small.

I think the only comic I didn't think was drawn at the usual size was the "Bazooka Joe" comics in the bubblegum wrappers.

bump for fun

Abbott, word on the street is that you might be putting together a comic for J0rd4n+Ju5t1n3?

bumpin'

Yes, after I do another project for them (which I have actually done another picture for hai guyz).

we're pretty much just going to be the publishing arm of abbott's comic art empire.

aw when did this stop

i still have my abbott comix chapbook

I got a little bit better at this

http://scienceology.com/

yeah, i'm enjoying that!

lol @ "I'm killing a baby on the beach for some reason!"

which does not actually happen in the film

hope there's many more of these to come; i would read daily.

My goal is to average 2-3 a week

nice!

i for one would welcome xposting them here

latest

http://scienceology.com/2015/10/18/clean-flicks-editions-shrek/

Have read this thread title wrong twice...as "Abbott's Coma" and "Abbott's Gorilla". Should drop drinking.

hey who gots the Larry P'Orridge B2TF comic to post for me

Xpost

Lol @ Clean Flicks comic. A+

http://scienceology.com/2015/10/16/movie-i-dont-remember-that-well-shallow-hal/

2 to 3 a week yes please do!

mookie, we still have a few copies floating around the workshop. email me yr address and i'll send you one.

i found it! but thank u!

http://scienceology.com/2015/11/14/doodling-a-to-c-and-boring-tourettes-a-guide-to-staying-sane/

for all u Steely Dan fans

simon schama tho

That was awesome

my favorite one yet

http://scienceology.com/2015/11/15/the-beach-boys-the-true-american-story-of-the-true-american-band-a-comic/

i'm so so confused

That was delightful. And fairly accurate, from what I recall.

yep! <3 it

awesome

lol @ CVB quote

ok I think in reality the best thing about it is this feedback from my Dad: "Funny, but the Beach Boys were actually on the beach at least once as is manifested by their picture of them in front of their woody and with surfboards on one of their albums. I was a kid when they came out. We wore white pegged pants and played with yoyos while listening to the Beach Boys."

this is exactly what I wanted the Great Pop Things book to be and it mostly wasn't (a few minor classix tho and I still regret lending it to someone and not getting it back)

the "astral plane" caption is possibly my favourite sentence ever

<3

That ruled abbs

Guiltily admit I lold at Denis death panel

^^^SPOLIERS

http://scienceology.com/2015/11/22/sketchbook-stories-untreated-depression/

awesome

<3

i do so like your style

http://scienceology.com/2015/12/21/hamilton-the-musical-and-the-greatest-bilingual-pun-of-all-time/

I don't get it? "Chat" is pronounced "shah", does that mean something in English?

It's a reference to a refrain in a song in the musical Hamilton, by Lin-Manuel Miranda. You'd probably enjoy it - it's the story of US founding father Alexander Hamilton, in which every role is taken by a performer of colour, most of the lyrics are rapped, and is riddled with quotes from classic hip-hop songs.

Biggest new hit on Broadway this year, and highest-selling original cast recording since Camelot.

(I enjoyed Abbott's cartoon, and would have been likewise baffled if I hadn't seen the show the day after learning it existed, two months ago.)

Okay, thanks for the explanation and the link (dope tune, btw!), I get it now! But isn't the "t" in the French word silent, so it doesn't actually sound like "shot"?

ok the Cat in the Hat lied to me about the pronunciation :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLgJvqyZNjs

also sic I am sooo jealous you have seen Hamilton

I'm sorry about my pedanticism... Maybe the North American French pronounce it differently though? :)

my French is terrible but the t isn't silent when followed by a vowel, also iirc in a lot of francophone songs they pronounce the silent letters which suggests to me that the French, unlike the Finnish, employ poetic license

If it's a girl cat, it could be une chatte.