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Bracewell did a fantastic job for Newcastle during the promotion season, and we pinched him from Sunderland :-)

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

On the plus side for Celtic fans, they said on the news that a statue of the Virgin Mary had come to life in Russia.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Sack Strachan and make the Virgin Mary the caretaker manager

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

No, but honestly, Strachan was a disaster waiting to happen and guess what - it happened, last night. It's Barnes all over again, this clown shouldn't even be allowed into the ground let alone made the Celtic manager.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Balloon!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why was Strachan "a disaster waiting to happen"? Can he really be compared to John Barnes?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

He's a shit manager, he got Coventry relegated and couldn't handle the pressure at.......... SOUTHAMPTON! As a guy in the pub said last night, "What the fuck's that wee Edinburgh shite doing managing Celtic?!!??"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Strachan has never in his 'career' been expected to put out a team that wins things. He doesn't know how to pick an attacking team. Anyone who can't handle the Southampton job has no place at Parkhead.

John Barnes was sacked for losing to Caley Thistle in what was described (wrongly) as Celtic's worst ever result. Last night's disaster goes way beyond that.

He has bought 3 English Championship defenders (from Southampton, Brighton and Burnley) to 'improve' what *was* a competitive Champions League team. When you buy Burnley defenders you defend like Burnley - surely any fule can see that? Camara can be pointed at for at least three of the goals. That said, it was obvious to anyone watching the first 40 minutes that Camara wasn't doing his job (and Thompson wasn't helping) - it was the manager's job to spot that and do something about it, he didn't.

I'm annoyed that ailsa sent me a text saying "Neuchatel who?" - that caused the 5th goal.

This is not how I planned on reliving the 90s.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"When I do my stuff, the crowd goes carrots"

That is rthe only difference.

I thought he was Aberdonian.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

John Barnes was sacked for losing to Caley Thistle in what was described (wrongly) as Celtic's worst ever result. Last night's disaster goes way beyond that.

Amen. He's from Edinburgh and he's a wee shite.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I see. I thought Strachan had shown himself capable of handling the Celtic job with his performances on MOTD2.

"Got Coventry relegated" is a little harsh; they'd been hanging on for about 15 years.

When you buy Burnley defenders you defend like Burnley - surely any fule can see that?

Shame you never got to play Liverpool*, you'd have kept a clean sheet.

(* - I'd love to see a 6-0 second leg miracle, just for the reactions in here).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't care if we win 12-0 in the second leg, Strachan will not be Celtic manager by the end of the season. I give him 3 months.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Are Artmedia a Vauxhall Motors style company team full of web designers? What's up with the name?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

They're more of a performance art outfit

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Christ, the 3rd round draw is tomorrow (before the 2nd round is complete)! I don't like the look of any of the seeded teams (and the winner of Artmedia/Celtic gets a seeded berth). Drawing Rosenborg or Rangers might give us our best chance of progressing. But it looks like the UEFA Cup for Everton.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope Celtic remember our name and the names of the players after tonight

Artmedia coach Vladimir Weiss

Well, I certainly didn't. I thought it was Slovan Bratislava. They could tell me absolutley anything on breakfast television, I might as well just stay asleep and have doen with it.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

They used to be known as Artmedia Petržalka (Petržalka being an area of Bratislava). Slovan finished 3rd in the 2nd division last season, while Rapid Ružinov Bratislava finished 13th and were relegated into the regional leagues.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Just remembered a conversation I had in the pub last night:

Me: So what does Strachan do now?
Graham (mad Celtic fan): I don't care as long as he's dead by daybreak.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Come on Shelbourne! I long for the bizarre insanity that will descend upon the LOI when a team eventually reaches the group stages of the CL, as everyone praises them then realises they will win the league for the next 7 seasons.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Which toffee-nosed Liverpol supertar who has been through a lot lately said this?:

"It'd be brilliant to see both clubs in the group stages, but it'd be sod's law to draw each other on Friday."

Re: Slovan Bratislava - how the mighty are fallen.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

absolutely ridiculous!

was that henri camara at left back?!

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it was Mohammed Camara, whoever the fuck that is

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Camara obscurer.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(I'll get me coat)

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Get Strachan's coat while you're at it

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I know, I know, but still - ...

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

camarabaderie

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to live in Petrzalka ! Well, not exactly - but a town exactly like it, Zilina (the team that played Chelsea last season). Both Petrzalka and Zilina are soulless massive housing estates, Petrzalka with 150,000 people in identikit panelaky (Soviet bloc era apartments - I guess they have bloc parties every weekend). Petrzalka were a middling second division team until the Czechoslovak break-up and never really got much of a fanbase til Slovan's fall from prominence a couple of years ago.

― darren (darren), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Get Strachan's coat while you're at it

It's the one on the shaky peg.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Right next to Graeme Souness's

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why did Slovan flop?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't there a match rigging/cheating thing that resulted in a couple of the bigger teams being relegated as punishment?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

Because Hajduk Split?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Signing Paul Telfer as a solution for anything seems a bit odd. Still, if you get desperate, I'd imagine Steve Wigley's available.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Strachan isn't the new John Barnes, he's more like a cross between Barnes and Lou Macari

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

JtN is literally ON FIRE.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

The Artmedia coach was literally over the moon last night. Strachan was literally sick as a parrot.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

sometimes i wonder if i'll ever get to use 'cinema pongolle'

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

When Celtic's new left back takes a throw-in is that a Camara Shy?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

fidgetal camara

...

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Strachan Supports Celtic Defender's Denial Of Bucks Fizz Obsession

― "My Camara Never Lies" (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Mo Camara Never Lies" shurely?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

... he never fucking tackles either

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i am sure mo he will develop into a picture of the perfect leftback. or be sold to lens

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

knew i'd find a good one eventually!

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

He needs developing certainly

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Very good, JtN. It made me laugh, but it came out as a wheezing coughlet.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops, you made that joke! (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm trying not to be negative about him

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe they should tri podding him on the wing.

(I have a cold, sorry).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

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Also, why wasn't Macarone playing from the start?

He was too busy posting to ILX, I imagine.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 28 April 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Goals from the Middlesbrough game here (disappointingly with a bit too much German analysis and not enough of the post-goal celebrations):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeT6jZ_otP0

And some local radio commentary with mad screaming here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/video_and_audio/help_guide/4304501.stm

― Teh HoBBler (the pirate king), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

It did seem a bit odd that it was tucked away on ITV4. If it had been a more "glamorous" team in a UEFA cup semi it would surely have been on ITV1... or at the very least, Channel 5?

Was Celtic's UEFA Cup semi against Boavista televised nationally?

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Both legs.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

managed to download the entire Boro match but with Romanian commentary!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Onimo, I just googled and found out they were both on the BBC nationally, with separate commentary teams in Scotland and elsewhere. I am therefore quite surprised that Middlesbrough were stuck away on ITV4. Presume the final will be on a real channel?

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Aye, they couldn't trust Scottish pundits on English telly so they used Alan Hansen :-P

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I think ITV have the rights to the final. I don't think they'll hide that one on ITV79

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

"we'll be watching the Bill, while they're playing Seville..."

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

What a twat of a referee.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread cruelly denied it's rousing climax on account of This is the thread for the Arsenal/Barcelona Champions League final being set up instead.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

That happened to my Champs League thread last year which would have been rivalling Try Glasgow More for length had someone not set up a separate thread for the final, and the subsequent fight over ~~fudging the rules~~ letting Liverpool take their rightful place in the competition as winners.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I just want to post this here as well...

ARSENE WENGER, DAVID DEIN, GEORGE GRAHAM, TONY ADAMS, THIERRY HENRY, PATRICK VIERA, DAVID SEAMAN, JENS LEHMANN, NIGEL WINTERBURN, MARTIN KEOWN, GEORGE ARMSTRONG, FRANK MCLINTOCK, DAVID O'LEARY, IAN WRIGHT, JOHN JENSEN, SOL CAMPBELL, FREDDIE LJUNGBERG, BOB WILSON, ALAN DAVIES, CLIVE ANDERSON, RORY MCGRATH, NICK HORNBY, JULIO D'SOUZA... CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOUR BOYS ARE ONE HELL OF A TEAM OF DIVING, CHEATING DOUBLE STANDARDS FLAUNTING BAD LOSERS!

Ahem.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a well-made list. It's so ugly. Except for Bob Wilson - he's OK by me.

― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Pinefox, do you remember when Sinister beat the NME in the five-a-side final at ATP 2000? "Charles Shaar Murray, Nick Kent, Steve Lamacq, Paul Morley, Julie Burchill... can you hear me, Julie Burchill?" Oh, we did laugh. I wonder whose idea it was to start shouting that.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Morley was on some shite about Brad Pitt the other night.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

does he fancy him?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't listen long enough to find out.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Juventus v Werder Bremen gorblimey!
-- Matt DC (runmd...), March 7th, 2006 9:59 PM

i felt sorry for the werder bremen goalkeeper.
weasel diesel (kilian(dot)murphy24@mail.dcu.ie), March 7th, 2006 10:59 PM

Hmmmmm... in the light of the scandal that's bringing down Juventus at the moment, I can't help but wonder whether this incident was quite as accidental as it seemed.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Saturday, 20 May 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you think they should have the competitions in future?

I've said scrap the InterToto, get rid of the UEFA group stages and have more knockouts in the CL.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I've said don't just stop at getting rid of the Intertoto, get rid of the Super Cup and the UEFA Cup as well, just have the CL and make it knockout right from the start, no group stages whatsoever, that revenue generation should be the least important consideration, and that if they keep the UEFA cup it should be made knockout right from the start too, and not be infiltrated by CL failures in January.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Bring back teh Cup Winners Cup and shift UEFA places back into the leagues. Abandon all group stages. Champions only in the Champions League, which we'll now have to rename because there are no league stages - I suggest European Champions Cup, or European Cup for short.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, it'll never work.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, long shorts, high-topped football boots made of mammoth leather, balls made of pig's bladders with cowhide stitching, caps with concentrci circles on them and carefully waxed handlebar moustaches.

― Crimea River (Mark C), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, I forgot about the moustaches. More of them.

Oh, and while we're at it - if you are offside you are offside. End of.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

The UEFA cup was good when it was made up of the seconds, thirds and fourths, but it's been completely devalued since all of those teams went into the CL. But I've got no problem with non-champions being in the European Cup - I'm quite happy for there to be just one tournament, with all the top teams in it (so long as 'the top teams' means the ones who finish highest, and not some kind of G14 permanent membership). Otherwise the European Cup would be (and arguably was, in terms of quality of competition, rather than stature) worse than the UEFA Cup. So one big competition with all the top teams is fine by me. But nobody gives a fuck about group stages - they're just the tedious bit to get out the way before the real knockout fun gets started. The only reason we have them is for guaranteed revenue, but teams shouldn't be in it for the £££s, they should be in it to try and win it. Then you might get rid of this obsession where just being in the CL becomes the be-all and end-all, and teams would no longer be happier (say) finishing 4th in the premiership and going out in the group stages of the CL, than finishing 5th, winning the FA Cup, and losing the final of the CL.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and while we're at it - if you are offside you are offside. End of.

It was funny, in the BBC video archive, to hear David Coleman say during Italy-West Germany in 1970 "offside there, but not interfering with play". It's always been there, that qualification to the rule, it's just expressed differently now (the whole "phase of play" thing was an attempt to clarify, I think). Quite a "modern" amount of injury time in that match too, which was also no surprise to Coleman.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

are there any of the london supporters at all tho who wd rather win the champions' league than the premiership? i'm a born & bred liverpool supporter and i would kill for a(nother) premiership title.

― danny invincible (michael w.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, we've never won the Premiership

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus that hurt

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

This may sound harsh, but I really, really hope you don't win the league again until 2016 at the earliest.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm, we must go for a ~~fight~~ pint soon ;)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

porkpie, refering to "the premiership" as a seperate identity to "the league" means you have been badly brainwashed in the worst possible way.

― danny invincible (michael w.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, didn't notice the capital P ;)

and no, I haven't been brainwashed

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost:
B-b-but it's you that used the word Premiership. You could have just said "I would kill for another league title" and then this whole nasty business need never have happened.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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