Is the work of Steven Soderbergh the most overrated thing ever?

This is so OTM. Best post on this thread.

mind-boggling.

I'll admit EB shrinks in comparison to something like North Country, which actually takes an interest in its children, has no stock townies, and makes its trial almost an afterthought to activism. But I guess I will always be on board for The Julia Roberts Show in some form--unless that means sitting through Ocean's 12 again.

Read Jon Lee Anderson's Che biography before you decide it wouldn't make a great movie. Hope it's Reds/Godfather II-long, too.

-- Andy K (xndkx...), September 16th, 2003 9:42 AM. (Andy K) (link)

Must've been posted after the first or second episode.

Directed by:
Michelangelo Antonioni
Steven Soderbergh
Kar Wai Wong

Anyone seen this? Apparently a collection of 3 'erotic' short subjects. According to my friend, Soderbergh's contribution is comparable in style to Schizopolis.

oh, and I want to see the Limey. Gah, I just hate how so many of his movies just use enough of the tricks of good filmmaking to push over the horseshit. All the character exposition at the beginning of Brokovich was just to morph into A Civil Action For Women by act two.

For a bit of needed perspective, see Kim Il Jong.

I'm no Star Wars dude or anything, but I noted that after Soderbergh ripped the Right Stuff Sally Rand fan dance with the fountain scene in 11, this time around we get Isabel, I am your father and the cantina scene (the music, even) at the end.

BEST. MOVIE. EVER.

ru crazy, i still want my money back for ocean's 12

i walked out of it hating liberal hollyweird

Ocean's 12 was the best of the three.

maybe, i didn't see it in the theater tho, or tonite. did this one have a lot more subtle (or semi-subtle) stuff than the last two?

What I liked best about the second is that they didn't even pretend that the caper(s) made sense. It was just Hollywood Glamour by way of Godard in pretty locales. This one's shot in the same way, but there's less room for the characters riffing together and having fun.

This one was actually a pretty effective pop heist movie (where the first one pulled a lame switcheroo and the second one just didn't bother), but very little made an impression (Pacino was ill-used, too much time examining the mechanics, far too little Eddie Izzard).

but the scenes in Mexico were pretty awesome.

Damon's daddy reveal/role should have been more explosive, though. You could see it coming a mile away, and I wanted him to be a bigger personage (politician/head of the FBI/something).

NO TOPHER GRACE NO CREDIBILITY

i thought the heist in this one sucked

s 'bubble' any good? why is mark romanek the commentator on the dvd? i'm intrigued.
-- The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Monday, 30 January 2006 14:16 (1 year ago) Link

last thing romanek actually did?

i hate every movie this fucker's been involved with

NO TOPHER GRACE NO CREDIBILITY

haha! but armen weitzman was pretty good, no? plus, the return of vincent cassel? jerry weintraub as the lead whale? David Paymer!

What I liked best about the second is that they didn't even pretend that the caper(s) made sense. It was just Hollywood Glamour by way of Godard in pretty locales. This one's shot in the same way, but there's less room for the characters riffing together and having fun.

oh i don't know about making no sense. otherwise yeah, maybe, but the snippets were still pretty fun this time around. and mexico. and all the old-vegas/hollywood/reuben stuff. and roman-greco/analog-digital. and george&brad as women/the charity/oprah. the real-life/relationship stuff. "Fender Roads"

every time i try to watch one of these ocean's movies i fall asleep in the middle and wake up at the end completely bewildered.

actually this happened with the bourne movies too. maybe it's matt damon

i agree that Caldwell pere wasn't all it could have been (maybe that's for 14? that wasn't telegraphed or anything), but the Linus stuff remained pretty fun

i saw the first 'oceans', it was pointless shit, and it's a kind of "phenomenon" now, and in thirty years god help us, clip shows will look upon it as the acme of 00s cool, for serious. the lame thing about soderbergh is that his 'one for them, one for me' strategy doesn't actually lead to very exciting 'one for me projects'. i say this having not bothered with 'bubble', 'the good german', or that self-referential one, but the point stands. i liked 'out of sight', it had a fine cast, but at this stage that's about as much enthusiasm as i can summon. may be i should 'rescreen' some. maybe not though, there's only so much time on this earth.

Everything Soderbergh I've seen is shit, except Schizopolis which I guess is like his one fluke, as it's pretty much genius. I'm not sure how that worked out.

Saw Erin Brockovich again a few weekends ago; it holds better than any of his others (save Out of Sight).

something about his style just flattens everything. all the jump cuts and ppl talking over each other comes off as planned and over rehearsed, just like the heist itself, they've planned everything in advance and are just going through the motions being pleased with themselves & only concerned about looking cool. what godard i've seen is reckless and exuberant, like they don't know what'll happen next. steven soderbergh, proof that cool is over.

saw oceans 13 last night and thought it was incredibly shit. i think soderburgh is just making whatever gets him a cheque at this point. didnt really laugh once in the whole film (ok maybe once) but found the whole thing too smug in its 'coolness'. and the pastiched 70s soundtrack was even worse.