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I used to get Orson Welles, George Orwell and H.G. Wells confused. They're the intellectualized version of the Bill Paxton/Bill Pullman confusion.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone proclaimed Arkadin a lost masterpiece yet? That'll be even funnier than those who said same for F for Fake.

(jos, the one time I saw it seemed an amusing footnote)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

My university library has a copy of the novel – credited to Welles!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

F for Fake is pretty damn great.

p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a nicely executed minor film. Or maybe I'm underestimating OW's appearances on The Merv Griffin Show too.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll take a nicely executed minor film over a poorly executed "major" one. like, say, his "Othello."

p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The extras dvd that comes with F for Fake has some footage of Welles talking to Muppets, but unfortunately no Merv Griffin.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

(this is where i mutter something under my breath about CR/MA being the only orson welles movie i've seen yet, point at something else in the room as a diversion and then quietly slip out)

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Othello's unwatchable. I'll take the second grade talent-school costumes of Macbeth and its moody photography. It's also his best self-directed performance.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

joseph, you have time.

On some days, Othello is my favorite film of his. Kane or Lady from Shanghai on others.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

btw, I don't think anyone's mentioned the second volume of Simon Callow's OW biography comes out in the fall. Maybe I'll finally read Road to Xanadu now.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

f for fake is an amazing movie, but i dunno, i've never been able to get into the mindset of worrying about which films are "major" and which are "minor"

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

has anyone really never known when he starts lying in FFF? I can understand if it wasn't that important, but he seemed to think it was.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone's interested, Compulsion (the film based on the Leopold and Loeb case with Welles playing the Clarence Darrow part) just came out on DVD yesterday for, as far as I know, the very first time. Haven't seen it yet but I'll be checking it out shortly.

Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe (Plastic Gas Booby Trap), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been waiting for Netflix to add it to their collection; I've never seen it. All three leads won the Best Actor prize at Cannes.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone proclaimed Citizen Kane a lost masterpiece yet?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"Tonight on Lost Masterpiece Theatre"

http://www.deanesmay.com/files/deanesmay-250px-TV_cookie_monster_monsterpiece_theatre-small.jpg

Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Review of Callow's bio vol 2, Hello Americans:

"Callow appreciates Welles’s post-Kane film work without neglecting its flaws or denying Welles’s own share of responsibility for the shambles in which studios tended to release what he had shot. The culprit was not inevitably crass commercialism but often an absent Welles, who had already sped off towards his next project, leaving editing and sound, for which radio had sharpened his ear, to underinstructed colleagues."


http://tls.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25352-2277138,00.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Affair with Judy Garland? Classic.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 20 July 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Anyone else read Clinton Heylin's new Welles bio? He's got no patience for Thomson and Callow, but doesn't even offer the scattered insights into the films like the former or enliven worn anecdotes like the latter.

His Dylan biography is worthless as criticism but extremely entertaining.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 30 September 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
i wish to retract my spring opinion, after seeing the 'comprehensive' Criterion Mr. Arkadin last night. Far richer than F for Fake. Michael Redgrave as a poofy antique dealer/fence in a hairnet, another one-scene theft by Katina Paxinou as Arkadin's old flame spitting out heartbreak in Mexican exile, frequent remixes of scenes from his earlier films, international hopscotch carousel locations, doc footage of "crazy Ku Kluxer" penitents in black robes, Goya masks...

Also great outtake of Welles directing Arkadin's daughter (OW's future wife) while acting in a two-shot with her: "Again, warmer, chin a little higher, don't pause..."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a cheapo arkadin DVD

I watched half of it, one day

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Now for the other half.

Got the Arkadin box after Christmas and have so far just watched the Corinth cut. Good lord what a loopy (and loopily wonderful) movie. I did like the appearance of Goldfinger as the "Christmas Merry" guy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i still stand by what i said earlier in the thread re: arkadin. i'm glad morbs came around on it too! (though i also think F for Fake is totally brill)

joseph (joseph), Monday, 22 January 2007 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been merrily devouring the whole Arkadin box set bit by bit -- just watched the comprehensive version tonight, not to mention reading the novel for the heck of it (hey, it's included after all). The "Harry Lime" radio episodes where a good chunk of the original story was adapted from are interesting as well, if only for their pure shamelessness in reusing tons of Third Man music.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i've only heard the one included on the third man disc. it's pretty funny how they rounded out the characters' edges for the show.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I really enjoyed Hello Americans the second volume of Callow's biography. after covering birth > Citizen Kane in the first, Callow zooms in on the 1940s. The scene-by-scene analysis of The Lady From Shanghai goes on and on but overall this was a whirwind period even by Orson's monomaniacal standards. I had no idea about his side-career as a political commentator.

Hope the third volume comes out before I'm 65.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I still find Arkadin trivial tho fun, but I like the DVD box as a sum-up of Welles' methods and the ways he got screwed by his backers and himself.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i would love to see the bbc interview with orson welles from shortly before his death that is mentioned upthread-i know this thread is like five years old,but did anyone who mentioned that they might have it on video somewhere ever locate it?
if anyone has it please let me know

robin (robin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

here is a link to a great interview with welles on parkinson in the seventies
http://www.dailymotion.com/Tomsutpen/video/xhap0_orson-welles-interview-1974

robin (robin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

I have it on a couple of DVD-R's someone in the UK burned for me. Wish I could share it but, unfortunately, I don't own a DVD burner. They're also Region 2. I'll let you know if I can get them copied somehow. It's a wonderful, often hilarious and also very touching interview. One of my fave parts is when he's asked about his being a child prodigy and he denies it by saying something like " I wasn't one of those precocious little monsters you hear about." And his fascination with the LED clapboard they were using between commercials: "Amazing. Technology has finally caught up with the movies. I need to get one of those."

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Thursday, 25 January 2007 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And his fascination with the LED clapboard they were using between commercials: "Amazing. Technology has finally caught up with the movies. I need to get one of those."

Imagine if he had lived even a decade or so more.

"An Avid, you say? Hmmm..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 January 2007 06:34 (seventeen years ago) link

jay vee-
if you were willing to arrange to have the dvds copied,i would gladly pay for whatever costs you incurred,plus your time and so on...
(i can play dvds from regions 1 and 2)
it might be easier if you could put me in touch with whoever you got them from in the first place,presuming of course that they don't mind...

obviously i understand if this is too much trouble however...

robin (robin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 07:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Robin -

I'm so swamped at the moment that my getting them copied would take awhile. However, the person I got them from - can't remember her real or ILX name - posted/posts a bunch on I Love Film and I Love Comics and is a Welles fan. I got them over 2 years ago so I can't remember her details. I'll keep digging around for you, though, and see what comes up!

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Thursday, 25 January 2007 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for that excellent interview link. Man, what a raconteur.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:12 (seventeen years ago) link

jay vee-
don't worry about it,i'll put up a thread on i love film,hopefully whoever it is will see either that or this thread

robin (robin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Bogdanovich on the eternal restoration of The Other Side of the Wind: "I'm confident it will be seen within the next two years." Long interview on its making w/ PB and Joseph McBride:

http://brightlightsfilm.com/55/windiv.htm

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...

Gregg Toland on shooting KANE:

http://www.wellesnet.com/?p=178

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 July 2007 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

It's a hundred degrees out right now... Currently watching F For Fake and drinking beer.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 14 April 2008 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't wait to have this baby arrive in the mail this week.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Monday, 14 April 2008 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I picked up on the cheap a French box set of Welles films and a TV series he made. So far I've watched a couple, The Stranger and Confidential Report.

The Stranger is a watchable thriller about a Nazi on the run in small town America. There's a bravura, Hitchcock-esque finale in a clocktower, but on the whole it's a very run-of-the-mill Hollywood thriller. I find it amazing he turned out something so very conventional just a few years after Kane and Ambersons.

Confidential Report = British release of Mr Arkadin, supposedly a superior cut to the U.S. release. An enjoyable caper, the first half hour in particular very good, but then it loses steam and focus in a whirlwind of different locations (The Riviera, Spain, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, Mexico... it's all too much), and a neverending series of campy cameos. The whole thing is too rich, the underlying plot not really up to the job. He's recycled themes from Kane I guess (investigation into past life of larger-than-life tycoon, flashback structure) but played it for laughs. Enjoyable, but no masterpiece.

Last film is Malpertuis, which I've yet to see and know nothing about. The TV series looks like it might be interesting.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 17 April 2008 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Just like everyone else it seems, I've wandered onto this thread to say I've just watched F for Fake and OMG it's fun. Best bit is the fit girl wandering around and being ogled - I'm being fucked with, but I know I'm being fucked with, and OW knows I know I'm being fucked with, or so it seemed to me. Oh yeh, and the quick cuts between the two dudes when the old guy said he'd never signed any of his paintings, O RLY? YA RLY.

I really have to get round to watching Citizen Kane.

The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

uh ya

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

shenanigans:

http://www.tribecafilm.com/news-features/features/Orson_Welles.html

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought it was gonna be about Lady From Shanghai.

Lord Soto Odin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 December 2009 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Shanghai-igans

james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 17 December 2009 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

The 1982 Arena special on Welles gets an airing on BBC4 tomorrow night, essential viewing.

Bing Crosby, are you listening? (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 December 2009 14:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I hope I'm in to watch Magnificent Ambersons on Sunday. I've decided this year to give in and watch it, bastardized though it may be.

moron oil (Gukbe), Thursday, 24 December 2009 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

The special's in 2 parts with the second on the 27th, also on Sunday 'Orson Welles over Europe' a new documentary looking at his exile in Europe presented by Simon Callow.

Bing Crosby, are you listening? (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 December 2009 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Alright, watching the Arena special now and being reminded of how depressing the changes to Ambersons are I've gone right off watching it on Sunday. Convince me otherwise?

moron oil (Gukbe), Friday, 25 December 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link


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