At last the Geir Hongro Challenge!!

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http://monkeydyne.com/rmcs/opencomic.phtml?rowid=35061 (best thread ever on ILE - "Home of the Hits"!)

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

The melody to The Riddle is so complex because Nik Kershaw was actually a highly-trained jazz-funk muso, obviously.

Ben Williams, Monday, 7 April 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

'The melody to The Riddle is so complex because Nik Kershaw was actually a highly-trained jazz-funk muso, obviously'

Regardless of the seriousness of this it opens up something interesting - Level 42 and Kajagoogoo actually WERE trained jazz-funk musos and their stuff bordered on the amelodic most of the time

dave q, Monday, 7 April 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's why people are supposed to learn all about chords but not anything about art: the latter puts all sorts of non-classical ideas into their heads.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 7 April 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. Good melody

"White Car in Germany" by the Associates has a jaw-dropping melody. The opening root-5th-octave synth bass line leaves you wondering whether the song is in a major or a minor key. It settles seemingly into a major key when the lead synth enters with the chorus(although the ever-present opening synth dribble (not the bass line) occasionally hits a flat 2nd, adding a lot of strange tension), but the opening vocal begins with a minor figure, coinciding with a similar shift in the backing track. The first time I heard this, I found it very odd and disorienting; it was hard to grasp the melody at first, but when I did I was floored. Another cool thing is the way that MacKenzie begins the third line of the verse on a major 2nd.

Some might say the melody's shortcoming is its resemblance to a line that should be played on a synth -- rhythmically, this might be a fair judgment, since the chorus is pretty much all quarter notes, and the verses aren't that much more complex -- but this only illuminates its strengths more clearly. MacKenzie's vocal is so amazing, too, in terms of delaying lines ever so slightly, shading the stately melodic line with vibrato, etc., that you hardly even notice the melodic line's rhythmic simplicity. In fact, I only noticed it just now when I was trying to come up with something to say about it.

(For other good melodies, see also -- well, pretty much anything by Rankine/MacKenzie ever.)

2. Bad melody

The melody of Richard Marx's "Right Here Waiting For You" is incredibly dull and lifeless. The same criticism about the melodic line's too-simple rhythm could be leveled here; the difference is, Marx actually sounds like a synth -- scratch that, a $40 Radio Shack Casio if it had a "creamy-voiced tool" setting. He just goes from one note to the note closest to it on the scale -- no leaps to create interest/imply striving/falling/whatever. The first "I will be right here waiting for you" actually ends on a 5th after climbing stepwise down the scale! It's the limpest thing ever.

Clarke B., Monday, 7 April 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nik Kershaw WAS a highly trained jazz funk muso, dammit!

Ben Williams, Monday, 7 April 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Regardless of the seriousness of this it opens up something interesting - Level 42 and Kajagoogoo actually WERE trained jazz-funk musos and their stuff bordered on the amelodic most of the time

Not Level 42. Dunno too much about Kajagoogoo, but I have the impression they got more musically complex after Limahl went solo.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, never having heard [of] this Kershaw mofo,
I downloaded "the Riddle." Fucking awful!
What a robotic arrangement.
So it has a lot of chords...so what? It's like
a Marillion C-side. Andy Partridge could pull a
better song out of his ass.

sqwurl puhlise (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 April 2003 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

What a robotic arrangement.

Meet the 80s....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 April 2003 22:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh yeah:

Good melody - "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"
so perfect that any change kills it for me (see
Joan Baez). Still, the arrangement and performance
are vital icing on the cake; any rendition by
pro-tooling sessionsists would sound awful.

Bad melody - 75% of all Jim Morrison vocal melodies. The
Doors still kick ass, of course, but for different
reasons.

Re: "Meet the 80s..." true, but it _was_ the decade of Firehose,
Talking Heads, and _Skylarking_, all of which had organic
production. It was a tough decade, though, and a lot of
great songwriters produced sonically shitty product.

skwirl plise (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 April 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love a lot of that typical 80s stuff which did not have an organic production. I love "Skylarking" too, btw, but having grown up in the 80s means I don't automatically get cronic cramps from hearing a sync'ed drum machine doing 120 BPM.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 April 2003 23:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

wait, what's melody again?

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not to be a lethargic lurker, but uh I guess I'm lazy - who is Geir Hongro (besides 'that guy posting right there') and where does this stuff pop up?

Adrian Langston (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 08:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Level 42 (SNIP) actually WERE trained jazz-funk musos and their stuff bordered on the amelodic most of the time

awaiting return of mark s.....

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Revive! Ain't nothing like the good old days...

Baaderonixx says DANCE!! TAKE A CHANCE!!! (baaderonixx), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Revive! Ain't nothing like the good old days...

Embarchie, Friday, 25 January 2008 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I don't see the point in clubs for indie fans at all. At least clubs where you are supposed to dance. Indie fans don't dance.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:18 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Seanadams Molloy (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link

he meant 'can't' - these language barriers...

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Indie fans don't dance, they just pull up their pants and do the rockaway

Seanadams Molloy (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...


No, it is just yet another evidence that (melodic) pop will always remain better than rock.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 5 April 2003 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

Correct, but English melodies are about a hundred times inferior to the Arabesk pop of müslüm gürses. Listen to Tanri istemezse and you will realise that the entire corpus of white pop music is not nearly melodic enough. and that is just one song. Key changes mask a lack of talent.

RobbiePires, Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link

12 tones are too mathematically limited. To have absolute melodic supremacy you need complete resolution, and 12 tones do not fully resolve.

RobbiePires, Thursday, 14 October 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link


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