― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
Definitely. Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories deserves a full series (with Chappelle in it of course). I'm sure they could get an entire season out of Rick James alone...
(anyone who han't seen them, this nice person has DivX copies to DL)
― mmmmsalt (Graeme), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link
It was not long enough.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:29 (twenty years ago) link
and yeah an hour is needed.
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Mitchell (Mitchell), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago) link
now lets not exclude everyday conversation with this, either.
its only funny when I do it, anyways.
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 4 March 2004 00:31 (twenty years ago) link
that last bit was pretty good.
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
I like that! :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:59 (twenty years ago) link
I'm a fan of the show but regularly tune in. Chappelle is my all time favorite racist, for Half Baked alone. Genius.
I always laugh out loud at at least ONE thing in the show. The only other thing that makes me laugh out loud without fail is The Onion.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 4 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link
and I hope you're joking about the "racist" bit.
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 04:35 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:42 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:52 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:25 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
But the puppets had me rolling. Maybe it's juvenile, the show is weakest when he holds back on the offensive content.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Hypercolor (Kingfish), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link
"I get so much puppet ass..."
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago) link
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 26 March 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago) link
I liked the skits earlier in this season when he had the stockbroker treated like a crack dealer and vice versa.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 26 March 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 26 March 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Marie Reed, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago) link
I just can’t categorise that Chapelle clip above as comedy. It’s just a “got chya” clickbaity pat on the back for himself and all those who share his beliefs. It seems so far removed from comedy because if there is a joke in there, it’s so weak and entirely second (or third, fourth, fifth, however low you can go) to making a political point.
Anyways, here’s how you can make a joke about a touchy subject1. Be a part of that subject2. Be actually funny
I love Aaron Chen, he’s got a 40 min special on YouTube well worth watching if you like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0mIPtaRGvI
― H.P, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:40 (four months ago) link
deems if you meant "is there a single good stand-up comedian who just says funny things" then the answer is no, there are lots
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:41 (four months ago) link
The thing that I found most valuable about Gadsby’s Nanette was when they broke down the mechanics of a joke, paraphrased: “you are trying to say something that makes the audience uncomfortable enough to elicit laughter, because that’s what laughter is, a response to discomfort.” It makes total sense to me that a comedian like Chappelle might be failing to distinguish between “this is making people laugh” and “this is just making people uncomfortable”. Either way I wish he’d make different, actually funny, jokes. I’ve often said that comedians should be afforded a lower standard of accountability when it comes to the expiry date on their material— jokes that were funny ten years ago might be found to be just straight up insulting (or even hateful) in present day; it’s good to keep in mind that the line comedians have to dance around, for their job, will change and their jokes become less-funny over time. Unless you’re a genius (Dangerfield, Rivers).
― he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:44 (four months ago) link
It makes total sense to me that a comedian like Chappelle might be failing to distinguish between “this is making people laugh” and “this is just making people uncomfortable”.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:49 (four months ago) link
If you’re accusing me of “insulting Dave Chappelle”, I’ll take it; I’ve never found him funny.
That said I do think you’re right— he’s not generating comedy now so much as caping for what he thinks of as being “free speech”— “I should be allowed to gender people in the way that makes sense to me”. At least Carlin approached this stage of his career with good jokes
― he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:58 (four months ago) link
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:41 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
mayne im imploring you to read what i actually wrote
xps re comedy = making audience uncomfortable, re "comedy must punch up", re "comedy must make the target laugh also" imo all of this is taking views of what any given comedy act can do, sure, but treating any of these personal preferences as imperatives is .... wrong, imo
for thread purposes ofc its irrelevant chappelles stuff isnt funny and most happily the reasons it isnt funny are at least linked to his focusing more on his own self indulgence than being funny
left a chara i think not liking comedy is fine but it cant be ones whole personality, we had a poster or two do that bit before and well they were awful
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:12 (four months ago) link
The thing that I found most valuable about Gadsby’s Nanette was when they broke down the mechanics of a joke, paraphrased: “you are trying to say something that makes the audience uncomfortable enough to elicit laughter, because that’s what laughter is, a response to discomfort.” It makes total sense to me that a comedian like Chappelle might be failing to distinguish between “this is making people laugh” and “this is just making people uncomfortable”. Either way I wish he’d make different, actually funny, jokes. I’ve often said that comedians should be afforded a lower standard of accountability when it comes to the expiry date on their material— jokes that were funny ten years ago might be found to be just straight up insulting (or even hateful) in present day; it’s good to keep in mind that the line comedians have to dance around, for their job, will change and their jokes become less-funny over time. Unless you’re a genius (Dangerfield, Rivers).― he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included)
― he’s an adventurer (derogatory) (flamboyant goon tie included)
laughter isn't the _only_ response to discomfort, though! so is silence. dead fuckin' silence. god, the fucking silences were the worst. when someone stops yelling at you at all and just stops saying _anything_. that's when you don't know what comes next.
of course, that's not comedy, that's childhood trauma. stand-up comedy has nothing whatsoever to do with childhood trauma.
a lot of people don't necessarily have to try to make people uncomfortable around them. some people - including, as it happens, a lot of trans people - have the amazing ability to make people uncomfortable around them just by existing. but i mean, any member of a marginalized group can have that experience. it's not exclusive to trans people by any means. all it really requires is that one not conform to someone else's preconceived expectations.
a comedian who conforms to other people's preconceived expectations is unlikely to be a great comedian.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:35 (four months ago) link
left a chara i think not liking comedy is fine but it cant be ones whole personality, we had a poster or two do that bit before and well they were awful― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac)
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac)
deems have you read any of left's posts? have you read their _username_? accusing left of making their entire personality about one thing is fine, but hating comedy isn't it.
fwiw from my perspective "hating capitalism and transphobia" is the _ideal_ personality.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:39 (four months ago) link
Can we derail this thread to talk about Katt Williams instead? First of all, he's much, much funnier than Dave Chappelle, and second of all, he showed up for a three-hour interview with a flamethrower strapped to his back. And had some extremely insightful thoughts about the craft of comedy, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRRZiRQxTs
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:53 (four months ago) link
I don't know who you're referring to there, the main "I hate comedy" person on ILX was Lex, who I hope you're not calling awful. Anyway I've increasingly come to agree with him, though it's really comedians I hate rather than comedy per se.
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 09:38 (four months ago) link
Hating all comedy is a fine and reasonable position to take, but posting it on comedy threads is pointlessly antagonistic.
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 January 2024 09:45 (four months ago) link
that may have been a fairer summation, even if i think doing so every now and again as a confirmation is probably fine
i was ofc speaking generally
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 09:58 (four months ago) link
Gary Gulman, another non-mean comedian (although he can be pretty mean to himself).
― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2024 12:36 (four months ago) link
Gulman is one of the funniest guys I've ever seen. We caught him again back in November and he absolutely killed it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2024 12:54 (four months ago) link
Hating all comedy is a fine and reasonable position to take
... hold up one sec here.
― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:08 (four months ago) link
there are things within that category that are probably worth saving but there is something inherently authoritarian about standup comedy. the non-awful standups are like enlightened despots.
― Left, Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:30 (four months ago) link
uh
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:30 (four months ago) link
Why standup comedy specifically and not, say, slam poetry, or one-person theatrical shows?
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:31 (four months ago) link
because nobody has ever defended those tbf
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:32 (four months ago) link
OTM
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:35 (four months ago) link
pretty booming column from Bramesco on thishttps://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/jan/03/dave-chappelle-the-dreamer-ricky-gervais-armageddon-netflix
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:39 (four months ago) link
Okay maybe Left has a point
― the new drip king (DJP), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:42 (four months ago) link
xps lol
― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 13:54 (four months ago) link
To the quaveringly earnest strains of Daydreaming by Radiohead, he smokes a cigarette in silhouette, as if taking a cue from Dewey Cox to think about his whole life before he goes onstage.
Does this mean Radiohead OK'd the use of its music for him? Wasn't one of the Radiohead guys caught up in some at least fleeting transphobic twitter thing?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:51 (four months ago) link
Jonny Greenwood
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:58 (four months ago) link
There’s the Hot Pockets guy, I don’t think he thinks he’s, like a philosopher with his lantern looking for one honest man
I saw a recent clip of Gaffigan on Bill Maher's show gently pushing back against Maher's anti-Union bullshit.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:04 (four months ago) link
Does this mean Radiohead OK'd the use of its music for him? Wasn't one of the Radiohead guys caught up in some at least fleeting transphobic twitter thing?― Josh in Chicago
― Josh in Chicago
jonny greenwood is a transphobe, yes
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:12 (four months ago) link
Gaffigan's most recent special is pretty fucking dark. Not quite Marc Maron dark, but definitely in that neighborhood.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:15 (four months ago) link
When Gaffigan denounced Trump there were loads of butthurt conservatives whining about how he wasn't supposed to talk about politics
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:21 (four months ago) link
Gaffigan’s segments on CBS Sunday Morning are getting to be almost suicidally depressed.
― Chris L, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:00 (four months ago) link
No that would be me, watching Gaffigan's CBS Sunday Morning segments
― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:04 (four months ago) link
(jk I fast forward through them)
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:57 (four months ago) link
going back up to Katt Williams upthread (I missed that discussion)...I'm a little lukewarm on the praise he's getting for his interview, not because I disagree with the central points he's making, or anything like that, but because he always seems to sidestep his own toxic past.
he told a Mexican heckler to "go the fuck back to Mexico" in an unhinged rant, and never really adequately apologized for it, as well as physically assaulting a 17 year old, physically assaulting a woman at a hotel and leaving visible bruises, and beating an 18 year old with a bottle. He never really took accountability from what I could see, blamed the people he assaulted most of the time.
He seems to have left that behind and I did enjoy his last special and I do like the dude, and don't want him to be 'cancelled' or anything, but if he's crate-digging into other people's pasts as far back as he's going, why couldn't he take the opportunity to admit his own role in toxicity, rather than elevating himself above the people he's critiquing?
idk...I still found his last special funny.
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 January 2024 22:56 (three months ago) link
Williams is definitely not a 100% good dude, and there are several moments in that interview where the host asks him about shit that might reflect badly on him and he freezes up and goes very noticeably silent for a long time before answering in a much more measured fashion than when he's discussing other subjects. So yeah. Agree.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:52 (three months ago) link