Mahavishnu Orchestra C/D/S/D

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caught some footage of them last night (thought this wz the reason for thread revival) - one thing I wanted to ask is: what's the point of the two neck I saw mclaughin with? is it just that it looks gd? (also the first time I caught D***k B**l** footage and it was hilarity; no mention of the name, just a bit of free improv to show how jazz had left its audience towards the mid-to-late 70s).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 5 February 2005 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the acoustic album he did about the time of Mahavishnu Orchestra and Shakti as well. It's called "My Goals Beyond" and has a gorgeous version of "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" as well as a bunch of other niftestuf.

Austin (Austin), Sunday, 6 February 2005 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link

If you like "Extrapolation", be sure to check out Miroslav Vitous' "Infinite Search" as it is of a similar vein and features McLaughlin as a sideman. The rest of the band isn't too shabby, as it is Herbie Hancock, Joe Henderson and Jack DeJohnette. This one was originally put out in 73.

Another notible McLaughlin appearance is on Larry Coryell's "Spaces". The band also includes Billy Cobham and Chick Corea. There is some furious playing on this one. This album also has a couple of acoustic duets that kind of foreshadow the stuff McLaughlin did with Paco DeLucia and Al DiMeola later on. This one came out originally in 74.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 6 February 2005 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...
After having the main hook from track 1 of IMF pop into my head inexplicably, I've started listening to it again. I can't deny there's some truly great, blistering stuff there, lines coming together and blazing apart. Parts of it can still be a little difficult, e.g. all that arpeggio twiddling in track 3.

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 22 August 2005 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

You're talking about "Noonward Race", one of the giddiest thrill-rides in recorded history. I just love hearing McLaughlin play those flurries of 16th notes at the end of his solo, only to fuck up and leap headlong back into the song proper before he can do any more damage. That whole track (whole album) owes way more to rock than jazz. (And so what?)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 22 August 2005 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

McLaughlin's tone on those first two albums is quite a heavy lead tone, especially for the time. Jazz needs some more guitarists that are gainiacs.

earlnash, Monday, 22 August 2005 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Ack, Jan Hammer actually is the same guy who did the Miami Vice theme, isn't he?

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 22 August 2005 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep! I'd prefer to remember him as the keyboard player from 'Stratus', though:

http://www.lp-cd.de/2/B8334_01.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 August 2005 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
IMF is so fucking good!

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

mclaughlin seems really fucking high in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J88Ep3_vKIk

god, they were really pretty sick and weird and ahead of their time, weren't they?

Jordan, Thursday, 24 January 2008 02:39 (eleven years ago) link

So fucking awesome, holy shit they were good.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 January 2008 15:05 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, when they were good, they were as good as any prog band going (tho my jazz loving dad hates them for that reason). however, when they weren't good = also the reason I don't listen to that much fusion.

Dominique, Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

true

Jordan, Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:39 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

MILES BEYOND

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 March 2009 00:08 (ten years ago) link

I don't think you will ever see a group quite like this one come together again, I was amazed by some really low quality video (though the sound was OK) live clip of Mahavishnu on You Tube a couple of days back. Billy Cobham is a freak of a drummer in a band of freaky good players.

earlnash, Saturday, 28 March 2009 03:54 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

man Visions of the Emerald Beyond is so fucking sweet

You're talking about "Noonward Race", one of the giddiest thrill-rides in recorded history. I just love hearing McLaughlin play those flurries of 16th notes at the end of his solo, only to fuck up and leap headlong back into the song proper before he can do any more damage. That whole track (whole album) owes way more to rock than jazz. (And so what?)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This is a brilliant description of this song. The end of McLaughlin's solo he just abrubtly changes gears into the main riff is one of my favorite musical moments. It sounds like he was greasing his strings beforehand with WD-40.

Great great band.

Bill Magill, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:37 (eight years ago) link

anybody heard any of Billy Cobham's solo stuff? his drumming on Birds of Fire is fucking insane.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HNHy2x3a8fo/SdvXe-rkvyI/AAAAAAAAACQ/xuNuW4CrpOM/s320/billy.jpg
this one's pretty ok, tho it's not really mahavishnu-ish, as the title implies.

tylerw, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:42 (eight years ago) link

"spectrum" is immortal. haven't heard much besides that, and the stuff i have heard is forgettable. get "spectrum"!

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:52 (eight years ago) link

yea spectrum

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:56 (eight years ago) link

i found this one on the street. i need to relisten to it, but i remember digging it. the title track is a really long, freaky, avant krauty, synth weirdo track.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NZES9E3VL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

and you should know this one if you listened to mid 90s hip hop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3E9vx5vVck

jaxon, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:57 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg86di2p34c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cda693NGOc

^flying lotus is repping this vibe hard these days

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 15 July 2011 19:00 (eight years ago) link

anybody heard any of Billy Cobham's solo stuff? his drumming on Birds of Fire is fucking insane.

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, July 15, 2011 2:39 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Only Spectrum, Tommy Bolin's finest moment (which is saying a lot). The guy is fucking amazing on that record.

Bill Magill, Friday, 15 July 2011 19:28 (eight years ago) link

thanks guys grabbing spectrum! that track "heather" that jaxon posted is gorgeous too though so mellow & dialed-back

Wow, George Duke rocking the Minimoog and ARP Odyssey both - I thought those fusion guys generally had loyalty to one or the other

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:41 (eight years ago) link

Apparently McLaughlin and Santana reunited at this year's Montreux Jazz Festival. It probably sucked, but I'm gonna see if any bootlegs are floating around.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:37 (eight years ago) link

Whaddya know, here's some footage of them doing "The Creator Has A Master Plan"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=230YzDsAUMs

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:40 (eight years ago) link

four years pass...

I just got an incredible-sounding bootleg of a 1973 concert McLaughlin and Santana did together. The band was McLaughlin, Santana, Larry Young on organ, Doug Rauch on bass, Billy Cobham on drums and Armando Peraza on percussion. There are several existing bootlegs of this show - the guys I got mine from took all of 'em and combined the best parts to create a really, really clean-sounding double disc that contains the entire 2 1/2-hour show. Amazing stuff - seven tracks, all but one running between 15 and 30 minutes.

Would love to hear this. There's a great concert on YouTube of the Santa Monica show I believe.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 5 September 2015 04:14 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgz4ESqjj98

cock chirea, Saturday, 5 September 2015 04:37 (four years ago) link

Awesome – thanks, cock. Phil, if you can hear me, I'd love to get my hands on those files if possible.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 7 September 2015 20:03 (four years ago) link

The band was McLaughlin, Santana, Larry Young on organ, Doug Rauch on bass, Billy Cobham on drums and Armando Peraza on percussion.
The same band as on "Love Devotion Surrender" of course.

Noel Emits, Monday, 7 September 2015 20:48 (four years ago) link

I'm sure it's easily locatable online. The CD-R version I have was given the title With Loving Devotion to John Coltrane by the assembler.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 7 September 2015 20:59 (four years ago) link

I will hunt this down!

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 01:11 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Getting into The Lost Trident sessions this morning, which is one I have not heard much. "Sister Andrea" is a really, really good track. The section on that tune when they break it down low you really hear McLaughlin channeling his inner-Miles Davis ala Sketches of Spain. It certainly sounded like a nod to me.

earlnash, Sunday, 4 February 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

Billy Cobham's drumming is really the glue that holds these records together imo. I find a lot of McLaughlin's post-Mahavishnu output to be sort of, idk, watery?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:30 (one year ago) link

Seeing McLaughlin play Mahavishnu tunes live last year was incredible. Agree about Cobham; he's amazing.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:51 (one year ago) link

Who was in his band when you saw him?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:58 (one year ago) link

I really like McLaughlin's first two acoustic jazz records with My Goals Beyond and the first Shakti album. That Shakti album is really intense. Eventually i would like to run into a LP of the San Francisco acoustic trio records. I had that one on tape as a kid and haven't heard it in years.

Apocalypse is pretty good for a Mahavishnu record after the original band. The 80s band sounds pretty 80s, although the stuff with Jonas Hellborg on Adventures in Radioland is pretty groovy.

earlnash, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:18 (one year ago) link

Yeah Shakti is pretty good, but I never liked the Friday Night in San Francisco or his other acoustic stuff.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:21 (one year ago) link

Who was in his band when you saw him?

I don't remember all their names, but I wrote about the show for Stereogum in November.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:34 (one year ago) link

I like the last track on inner worlds a lot

sleepingbag, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:39 (one year ago) link

Cobham is insane. I read a story once that when Cobham was a kid, he and his friends would have competitions to see who could keep a quarter pressed against the wall the longest with a roll.

Agree that he holds that group together, but Narada Michael Walden was a solid replacement. So crazy that he became this slick hitmaker. I saw Aretha Franklin this summer, and Walden was playing drums with her, and I kept thinking, huh, the same dude who did "Freeway of Love" and Whitney's "How Will I Know" was in Mahavishnu Orchestra. Anyway, he was a joy to watch, having so much fun. Here's a bit of him backing her at the show I saw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzPHaRowxu0

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:52 (one year ago) link

So cool to find this, this is a set I saw McLaughlin do in Spain in 1993, with Dennis Chambers and Joey DeFrancesco!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po_toT6n9aE

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:55 (one year ago) link

Who was in his band when you saw him?

4th dimension: ranjit barot, gary husband, etienne mbappé

mbappé was so sick. not only was he an insane bass player but he wore god damned gloves

scoff walker (diamonddave85), Sunday, 4 February 2018 23:02 (one year ago) link

JUst checking out Where fortune Smiles which is McLaughlin either just before he started mahavishnu or a little after. Alongside John Surman, Dave Holland, Karl Berger nad Stu martin.
JUst seen that Esoteric reissued it recently. Sounds interesting so far.

Stevolende, Sunday, 4 February 2018 23:22 (one year ago) link

This is p much the sickest thing ever imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10a45mgMGcY

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 5 February 2018 05:32 (one year ago) link

What can you say? Wow! I wish more 1970's drummers kept their solos that short n sweet. And of course his technique is absolutely phenomenal. Nice clip.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Monday, 5 February 2018 06:55 (one year ago) link

"Sunflower" by Milt Jackson, w/Ron Carter, Herbie Hancock, Freddie Hubbard, Jay Berliner and Billy Cobham: a fantastic record.

mahb, Monday, 5 February 2018 10:10 (one year ago) link

He's pretty good in the core unit band on the CTI Allstars first live lp. Tracks like Red Clay on that are really great.

Stevolende, Monday, 5 February 2018 15:21 (one year ago) link

Agree that he holds that group together, but Narada Michael Walden was a solid replacement. So crazy that he became this slick hitmaker. I saw Aretha Franklin this summer, and Walden was playing drums with her, and I kept thinking, huh, the same dude who did "Freeway of Love" and Whitney's "How Will I Know" was in Mahavishnu Orchestra.

He’s also the dude who did this:
https://youtu.be/Rz1GVwLwH2M

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 8 February 2018 05:33 (one year ago) link

"Agree that he holds that group together, but Narada Michael Walden was a solid replacement. So crazy that he became this slick hitmaker."

i'm still a little flabbergasted whenever i realize that michael tilson thomas was the guy who did the orchestral stuff on "apocalypse" (and it wasn't very good...)

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:21 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Didn't expect to get into Between Nothingness & Eternity at all but I enjoyed more of it than I thought I would. Cant be bothered with getting into the rest of it right now, so I'm shelving it for now. Didn't think this was so highly thought of.

I thought one of the riffs sounded a hell of a lot like Deep Purple's "Smoke On The Water" but I guess people who know better would have made a deal of that if it really did have much resemblance.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 May 2018 12:33 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

I liked Apocalypse. Not the whole way through but the highlights are great. Last track has a kind of "You And I" feeling and the soloing at the big climax is fantastic.

But "Smile Of The Beyond" is just gorgeous. Check out this live version with a far more energetic middle portion and added drum solo with good drumming faces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjM-UQ0zVUU

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 September 2018 11:41 (one year ago) link

That was worth waking up to.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 15 September 2018 13:13 (one year ago) link

dude can shred

hats for sporting the spiritual SG double neck look

niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 08:49 (one year ago) link

That right there is a spiritual custom Ibanez.

Three Word Username, Monday, 17 September 2018 09:23 (one year ago) link

aah, I see!

niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 09:27 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Visions of the Emerald Beyond is really nice

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 December 2018 20:43 (eleven months ago) link

Narada Michael Walden has had a pretty interesting career starting with Mahavishnu with Aretha (Who's Zoomin Who) and Whitney Houston and many others. From the Ashram to Malibu I would suppose.

earlnash, Friday, 14 December 2018 22:52 (eleven months ago) link

his drumming on a few songs on Fripp's "Exposure" is ferocious. NYC and Breathless are the two best songs on the album

akm, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:20 (eleven months ago) link

You follow Billy Cobham, you better be able to deliver it. Those guys are/were so good, they are like superheroes.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 December 2018 03:06 (eleven months ago) link


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