um, holding up articles by students as examples of 'bad music writing'? talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Matt DC OTM.
― blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Following in the footsteps of West Country acts like Muse and Thirteen Senses by already winning over interest from various major and independent record labels, things are definitely looking good for the boys. Having recently been asked to support New Zealand favourites The Checks who have just finished touring with the likes of JET and Oasis.
"I know someone who knows someone who knows the guy from Young Heart Attack quite well"
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (sixteen years ago) link
blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.
Even in the realm of student media this is BAAAAAAAAD though, Steve - I flick through Exepose every week and this is BY FAR the worst thing I've ever seen in it; hence not starting a thread every week.
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Haha I used to write for that paper. I wonder how long before he Googles his own name and finds it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:39 (sixteen years ago) link
It would be so wonderful if he googled this thread and responded. What an utterly thrilling discussion and exchange of views that could lead to.
― blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:41 (sixteen years ago) link
(my question: is the article motivated by his own band possibly signing to a major soon?)
― StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe I should unleash the views of Chris Erasmus at you all?
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Haha, yeah, I'd imagine so, StanM.
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Hello Jonny's mom! No, he hasn't posted about his sex life yet. Try again later. Bye, ILX.
― StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (11 minutes ago) Link
Dom is entirely correct here. I mean, the chuckle factor is diminished by him being a student, but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).
― sanskrit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link
also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Nobody knows how to sub-edit when they're 21, that's why.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link
^^not unrelated to why writers in the say, New York Times tend to sound the same. for that matter, ever read Blender? Despite the bylines it seems to be written by one many-armed poprockbot.
― m coleman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
that really is quite incredible.
― jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link
New York Times doesn't have sub-editors? That's crazy!
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Hey Jonny, your band fucking suck.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Jonny Garrett of Exeter University, that is.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I think you mean <a href="OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?;>Jonny Garrett</a> of Exeter University.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link
BOO HTML
Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University. Those bastards have had it their own way for too long.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Does Westlife even exist anymore?
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link
highlights:
"...bands like westlife who can, quite frankly, go screw themselves with a rusty spoon and get tetanus"
"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard one of the most influential artists of our time and dave grohl may have never founded the foo fighters."
the pathos!
― jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).
democratization of criticism = people slagging this shit off just because they can rather than for any constructive cause. it's just easy target practice, who gives a shit? no-one/nothing is ever going to stop under-grads inheriting these absurd ideas about 'how things should be' in the music industry. surely we've all read this same article many times in the past.
i'm just more relieved than ever my music writing from college days was too soon for blog-era internet heh.
― blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link
"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.
― NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?
― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.
perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.
― blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?
― StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.
and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!
ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag
or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers
― lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this
― lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
-- lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
http://downloadsimpsons.com/files/malibu_stacy.jpg
"Thinking too much gives you wrinkles"
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link
haaaaaa
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link
come on everyone, geir gives himself away in the final parentheses.
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
ha. not sure i care as such! a while back i had a job gathering information on universities, i found it kind of funny that you can go anywhere in the country and every student newspapers seems to be written by the same person. it sort of interests me to know who, if anyone, they are imitating. if my current job was more interesting this issue would, i think, seem rather less pressing.
xp
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i love the line about nirvana: nirvana's main block to future gold albums was kurt cobain's inability to accept the "popular culture lifestyle he was made to live", nothing about JUNKIE SUICIDE.
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I think it's a lot more interesting to analyse and discuss the views of someone like Jonny Garrett than it is, I dunno, Petridish or Reynolds or Chuck Eddy or whoever. ILX falls into a trap of ivory towering itself, qf whoever it was on the purchase of music thread who was all "two and a half CDs a year? Everyone I know buys much more than that!". We gotta embrace the layman here guys.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
keep in mind this kid was like 8 when Kurdt committed suicide and has probably been bombarded by Nirvana mythologies since he started showing an interest in altrock
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Heh, this is a great idea. Yeah gotta say though, opinion pieces like this are ten a penny in this strange little further education world
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link
there is thou a difference between "analyse and discuss" and "attack and dismiss"
― acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe in the real world, but on ILM?
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm still not sure when Cobain was adopted as an indie icon, tbh. When I was a teen, Melody Maker was still all "lol miserable junkie loved by them Kerrang oafs" about him.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I disagree that student writing is exempt from criticism. One's worldview may not be fully formed by the age of 20, but a journalistic voice should be.
Plus, this is just too awful to leave it alone. A phrase like "There has been a movement against corporate music, labels and magazines, which is thankfully disappearing, probably ever since Bob Dylan's move from acoustic to electric" is a jaw-dropper in any context.
― Erroneous Botch, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
This, totally; what kind of culture are we propagating where these attitudes develop? Why does this guy think this? He's in a band, he's at university, he'd self-identify as 'loving music', he obviously has journalistic ambitions at the same time, and he writes this? Yes, he's young, but not all young people are writing stuff like this, are they?
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
young aspiring music journalists should go to ILM training camp
― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://duckdown.downloadcentric.com/content/Duck%20Down%20Records/Products/Audio%20Downloads/Boot%20Camp%20Clik/The%20Last%20Stand/DDM%20CD%202035%7B0%7D_large.jpg
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, it's a Substack
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:16 (two months ago) link
Lester Bangs was a malign influence
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:18 (two months ago) link
lol people pay for this insight, then
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:19 (two months ago) link
No, no; our boy has moral objections to Substack. He publishes on Ghost.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:25 (two months ago) link
I was just gonna say - that stuff reads like Knock-Off Whiney to me. (Whiney's works, imo. ZL's doesn't.)
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:29 (two months ago) link
i like some of the music he digs up, but his tweets are at least half eye-rolls
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:30 (two months ago) link
that's like someone's blog. that doesn't count for me. you can write anything on your own space.
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:32 (two months ago) link
jeez louise no fair bringing whiney into this. he's a real riter.
i couldn't really read much of that thing above though. i think i'm just getting old.
i went looking for some old thing on google last night and i saw the very first rock review i ever wrote (for the VV) and it came out 25 years ago this month!! i felt like graydon carter's dessicated mummy or whatever. where does the time go.....
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:35 (two months ago) link
xpost i know, but Lipez is a real writer, too. i'm not just comparing Whiney to a guy with a blog ... although yes, he wrote this on his blog, or newsletter, or whatever it is.
― alpine static, Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:51 (two months ago) link
Yeah, Lipez writes for zombie Creem. Which I haven't read, but I hope he's got someone reining him in a little bit more over there.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 22 February 2024 21:58 (two months ago) link
The phrase "hipper-than-thou" was coined for this sort of prose voice...
― gucci meme (theStalePrince), Thursday, 22 February 2024 22:40 (two months ago) link
And there are limits to how much fruit a holiday text from one of Ryan Schreiber’s ex coke dealers might bear.
srsly our whiney would never. this is very bad. the guy is bad with prepositions, doesn't know the requirements of metaphor, actually writes "pellucidity."
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 22 February 2024 22:52 (two months ago) link
Men like deBoer tend to be glib about aspects of culture which are fascinating when taken seriously and they tend to be humorless about the absurd.
this is a good line
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 February 2024 22:56 (two months ago) link
I think I got two paragraphs in and then had to tap out.
(And, yes, I got the references! But this writing style is insufferable.)
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 23 February 2024 00:23 (two months ago) link
<q>And there are limits to how much fruit a holiday text from one of Ryan Schreiber’s ex coke dealers might bear
srsly our whiney would never. this is very bad. the guy is bad with prepositions, doesn't know the requirements of metaphor, actually writes "pellucidity."<q/>
― gucci meme (theStalePrince), Friday, 23 February 2024 00:30 (two months ago) link
argh!
was gonna say, dude also seems to think that coke grows on trees....
― gucci meme (theStalePrince), Friday, 23 February 2024 00:31 (two months ago) link
he calls out coke snorting like a homophobe does gay sex
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2024 00:34 (two months ago) link
he's good re deBoer
The 'Ex-Fader as Mossad' dig seems to be directed to Will Welch, the GQ EIC. That's all I got lol
― fpsa, Friday, 23 February 2024 01:18 (two months ago) link
I understand the hate, but I enjoyed the piece, despite his reliance on coke jokes. It was a funny, ranty, know-it-all blog post and in that sense it Made me feel nostalgic lol
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 23 February 2024 15:02 (two months ago) link
I was just like “Dennis Miller has a music blog now?”
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Friday, 23 February 2024 15:14 (two months ago) link
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1JoAAOSwQjFlNDpe/s-l960.jpg
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Friday, 23 February 2024 15:23 (two months ago) link
lmao
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 February 2024 15:31 (two months ago) link
Before it closed, the Fun Factory arcade in Redondo Beach still had tons of talking Dennis Miller dolls the last time I was there
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 February 2024 17:35 (two months ago) link
One of those guys where it's like "what the hell happened to you?" He was really great on SNL and if you watch a lot of old reruns, it's easy to see why he was considered the gold standard for Weekend Update for so long. In some ways, I think he was everything Charles Rocket's Weekend Update shtick hoped to be and failed to be, but even better, and he sort of did it accidentally. There's an early Letterman interview (maybe two seasons into his time at SNL) where amazingly he discusses how he really didn't address real news as standup material until Lorne Michaels hired him specifically to anchor Weekend Update - so from that point on, he really had to do his homework to keep up with politics and world events. I've seen him claim 9/11 changed him (maybe the way it changed Ron Silver) and I've seen Al Franken claim he has NOT changed, that he was always more of a libertarian with as many conservative tendencies as liberal ones. But based on the visual evidence, it's mind-boggling to see him suck up to a nitwit like George W. Bush while savaging Reagan for his intellectual shortcomings.
― birdistheword, Friday, 23 February 2024 19:35 (two months ago) link
"The Blinders’ latest album, ‘Beholder’, offers a darkly romantic odyssey that sees the Doncaster-born band, now sporting an expanded new line-up, reaching new heights. Capturing the raw energy of the band’s debut, it takes that spark and sends it soaring into more adventurous and cinematic territories.
With a richer, more layered sound that still retains that punch they made their own, there’s a newfound unpredictability that adds an exhilarating edge. But it’s ‘Nocturnal Skies’ that stands out, a testament to the band’s ability to craft a powerful, emotive song that resonates long after the last note has faded.
This is The Blinders at their most ambitious and confident, a band that has embraced their darkness and turned it into something truly captivating."
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 1 March 2024 17:40 (two months ago) link
https://readdork.com/albums/the-blinders-beholder/
No shade meant to you, irrational, actually more of a thank you, as I was lost in my Cali election work, thus was unable to do much music reading this past week. Dork was totally right about The Blinders' new alb. Hell yeah!
― Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Monday, 4 March 2024 03:33 (two months ago) link
https://www.vox.com/culture/24099908/justin-timberlake-everything-i-thought-it-was-britney-scandal-forgiveness
why
Now, after years away from the spotlight (and one Instagram apology), Timberlake is releasing a new album titled Everything I Thought It Was. So far, its lead single (“Selfish”) and promotional track (“Drown”) point to a more mellow, R&B-lite direction for the singer — with the exception of the gospel-flavored song “Sanctified,” which previewed on Saturday Night Live. And the album’s artwork, influenced by 1971’s Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and Federico Fellini’s masterpiece 8 ½, hints at an emphasis on visuals.
His third record saw a softer, more romantic side of Timberlake, with sultry serenades that reflected his personal life, including his marriage to actress Jessica Biel. His newfound maturity was best represented in the album’s blockbuster single “Mirrors,” which — despite its arguably narcissistic lyrics — signified his commitment to monogamy.Unfortunately for Timberlake, he would experience a significant fall from grace in the following years, both as an artist and as a wife guy.
Unfortunately for Timberlake, he would experience a significant fall from grace in the following years, both as an artist and as a wife guy.
whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 March 2024 16:01 (one month ago) link
Music writing basically just summaries social media these days
― President Keyes, Thursday, 14 March 2024 16:16 (one month ago) link
summarizes I mean
SummariesMake me feel fineBlowin' thru the Justin in my mind
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:27 (one month ago) link
a wife guy
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:31 (one month ago) link
pretty fly for a wife guy
― President Keyes, Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:15 (one month ago) link