― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link
fatboy slim, housemartins, jacques lu cont, zoot woman, felix? well, felix.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
Curses it's a continuum, Ricardissimo is right.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Keano (RickyT), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link
I phoned Mike T and he agreed it was ridiculous.
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
I swear the next time I DJ it will be under this pseudonym.
― person#0 (person#0), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
And if you're in any doubt as to the kind of music they play there...(and I quote): "youth club classics, disco trash, punk stompers, sleazy listening, racy retro, drunken anthems, exotic rubbish, and perfect pop". And bloody good fun it (still) is too.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
― m.s (m .s), Sunday, 10 August 2003 05:32 (twenty years ago) link
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd800/d832/d83258uakr8.jpg
And who thinks to cover Kiss in 1980? Too bad it was the best song on Sheer Greed
Hi, Jeff W!
― Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 10 August 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 10 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― David. (Cozen), Sunday, 21 September 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Sunday, 21 September 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
The Darkness's album has now climbed back to the top of the charts, besting Starsailor's new release. Are they allowed to be pop music yet?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 10:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 September 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 September 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link
because they prefer it to 'your' pop. it goes no deeper than that. they just like it better.
no, hang on, they're wrong and you're right, because you're obviously cleverer.
i love this thread. the anti-darkness kidz, well, they're just so... rockist?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link
i mean, that's the essence of your argument, isn't it? that's not very insightful, is it? where do you expect such a train of thought to embark?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link
my point is, people like the darkness because, well, they like the darkness. they like the over-the-top glam, the ridiculousness, and the great and catchy songs. if you hate that, then by all means rail against it with all your erudite fury. but stomping around on your own little cloud whining "why do people not like exactly the same stuff as me" without even engaging the question of "why?" is absolutely and totally pointless.
i mean, isn't it obvious why people love the darkness? (and they do...)
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link
While The Darkness just seems like a no-brainer to me, I guess, squinting hard with my third eye i can imagine why some people might not be able to understand why others might like The Darkness. but my point is, surely we can raise the level if discussion above I completely fail to see why, when there is so much great pop around, people even bother about such fucking awful pop. Shit, most NON-pop is more fun, more catchy and less supremely irritating. (and i'm sorry for singling you out, Alex)... because that sentence is just so empty of any kind of insight beyond stating (and not actually supporting or exploring) subjective opinions - i hate this because i hate it - as to be an utter waste of words. that it's irritating or non-catchy are totally subjective statements that might define why Alex hates them, but are of absolutely no use in defining why they are popular, why other people are so moved by them. because the obvious answer is simply for the darkness fan to reply, "because they are NOT irritating, and because their songs ARE catchy". and really, does that get us anywhere?
Or am i just talking to myself here?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link
exactly... what would be the point of stating subjective opinions as objective absolutes, in the contexts of an objective question? Asking why the general mass likes something, and just stating your own personally-held opinions like they were inarguable facts (when they in fact hinge totally on such variables as how many sugars you like in your tea) to support your disbelief, well, its all a bit student-y, isn't it?
i mean, you'd certainly be the first to chastise a darkness fan who slagged off what many of you would deem as 'genuine' pop music just because "its irritating and its not catchy", wouldn't you? be honest now...
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:46 (twenty years ago) link
Also what good is a pop message board if sometimes you can't just use it to register total disbelief and disgust at what's selling!
(NB "I Believe..." is one of the pop singles of the year)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link
and that's a fair opinion, but there was no engagement with the ARGUMENT... and if pop is defined by popular, as it was up the board (i don't wanna assign that meaning to the word myself, its too limiting, though i agree with it to a certain degree) then The Darkness have SUCCEEDED as pop because they are popular, QED.
for another thing he's saying there is a load of great other pop around and explicitly saying that if you too like pop then you shouldn't be paying attention to the Darkness.
again that's fine, but there's no argument for why that would support the great weight of opprobrium (is that the right word, or am i confusing it with an anti-indigestion drug?) he declares for The Darkness, no argument for why you shouldn't be paying attention to The Darkness beyond the fact he simply doesn't like 'em... although Alex has argued elsewhere for why HE hates them, there's no argument for why people WOULDN'T love The Darkness...
I understand, I guess, ultimately, I just don't CARE if other people like what I like or not... Is that hopelessly insular? Then again, my JOB is to argue for or against people buying certain records, so maybe i'm fooling myself...? Or maybe I've just decided decrying the 'taste' of a faceless 'public' is as pointless as it is patronising, and would rather engage the artists' strong or weak points themselves, rather than giving way to dramatic exhalations of exasperation...
without a doubt...
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:00 (twenty years ago) link
would I have annoyed you less if, instead of trying to engage the argument, i just posted smug one-line replies?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Monday, 22 September 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link
haha dan p i laughed so much i fell off the couch!!
― geeta, Monday, 22 September 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
Ah! Then maybe I might actually like it! :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link