Rolling Cannabis Politics Thread

I would not be surprised if it were religious people (cough cough Mormons). If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

are tobacco companies even allowed to spend campaign money? so many lawsuits/civil suits have crippled the industry

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If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

I can see this happening. at the same time, most of the country does not love Mormons, much less being told what to do by Mormons.

like what is the percentage that thinks Mormons aren't "really" Christians...? it's pretty high iirc

Well, sure, but it worked w/Prop 8, right?

And it's not like they would advertise, "WE, the MORMONS, want you to never smoke pot! And also we don't really have multiple wives. Brought to you by THE MORMONS."

Sponsored by the Mormons For Curtailing Your Fun Committee for America (c)

At any rate, this topic of converrsation ("will pot be legalized") always kind of feels like a mass funtime of projections of the speakers' pasts & desires. I, por ejemplo, would love for pot to be legalized, but grew up in a community where smoking weed was tantamount (in perceived riskiness & evilness) to smoking meth. This informs my perspective. I imagine someone who grew up in a less conservative area, or had pot-smoking parents, would have a more optimistic view. ANd someone who thinks weed is bad, and has never smoked it, would naturally be more inclined to say it's so not gonna happen. I feel in some ways like there's no way to know.

i suspect in my lifetime we will see the states where it's been cleared for medical purposes legalize it wholesale; everywhere else will be in sort of limbo between where we are now and full legalization

It seems to me that once it's become fully legalized in a few states, it'll be de facto legal everywhere. They can't exactly set up state border patrols to make sure you aren't buying in NJ and driving it up to NY, or whatever.

still pretty illegal in lots of europe, despite amsterdam

Europe's different

As far as I know, Prohibition was repealed everywhere all at once, but an interesting comparison might be individual state tax laws on vices. Technically, afaik, it's illegal to buy alcohol in NJ and then drive it into PA, but this obviously happens all the time, whenever someone in Cherry Hill picks up a bottle of wine and then drives to his friend's place in Philadelphia, and it's de facto legal. How can you enforce that kind of law?

wrt CA as an avowed pessimist the fact that they gathered the signatures still feels like found money, bottom line is i think the radius of 'public consciousness raising' for legalization hasn't extended nearly as far as the medical angle, which tbh still relies on compassion for the very very sick to get over (medical cannabis is not going away but it's still plenty begrudged among the majority of counties and municipalities). i mean i hope that's an antiguated view of how politics move in 2010 but yeah, prop 8. think we can just wipe away the culture of prohibition w/o at least will n' gracing it for a minute, it just can't be that easy, right?

yeah, i guess i would liken it blue laws around here. like, you would probably never ever be able to just pop by dispensary/ package store in the state of Tennessee and buy a nice bottle of wine and some white widow for your dinner party. but if you were pulled over and had an oz cops would just be like eh, whatever - as long as you aren't smokin & drivin (someone will obviously need to build some kind of breath-alizer for weed if it's ever to be legalized i'm guessing)

56% of CA supports legalizing weed as of a couple months ago

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shakey i posted a more recent poll upthread fwiw, but again i think it's too early to hang your hat on either one

Wish 538 would run something about it.

yeah I agree - margins are probably soft, and we haven't seen any marketing really get started yet

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As I indicated upthread, while there are still federal anti-drug laws and while Congress is dominated by anti-legalization sentiment (think Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennesee, ad infinitum), even if California voted to legalize pot, the Feds would be able to render that vote moot, by independent DEA raids, federal prosecutions, and what's worst, by almost certainly withholding vast amounts of federal funds for all kinds of stuff - from Medicaid to schools.

CA would relent within months.

It looks like the Federal government is moving away from enforcement, not towards it. It's hard to imagine Obama giving the order to resume the raiding. (I thought that had stopped, btw?)

yeah they have and Obama's made it explicitly clear that prosecuting marijuana is not a priority

Also, I don't know how this would actually play out politically, but with a right-wing totally committed to limiting federal power for probably the next six years, and a left-wing with a large group that is pro legalization, I can't see a lot of people pushing for federal enforcement.

no one's winning the White House with CA's votes either - state might take a dim view of a sitting president waging financial war against it, esp when it's in such dire straits already

withOUT CA's votes sorry

Hard to imagine there is anything a sitting Democratic president could do that would stop CA from voting for him. I think if Obama wanted to, he could act against CA's economic interests with more or less impunity.

just thinking of a president winning w/o CA makes me hear hoofbeats xp

a right-wing totally committed to limiting federal power

The right wing's commitment to limiting government definitely does not extend to the DEA, or to any action that could remotely be construed as "soft on drugs". One has only to look at the past 40 years to see this is true.

mainstream right-wingers still want pot smoking deadbeats in jail. limited federal intervention just means states can pass their own draconian laws against it, right?

Yes, but once you've opened the door to states passing their own draconian laws, you've also opened the door to some states totally legalizing it.

Nope. The argument would be that you can't have it legal in one state, because it would become a staging area for growing and then exporting pot to other states. Which is true enough.

CA needs a new cash crop!

It's time to return to an agrarian economy, dude.

I'm with Wm. F. Buckley on this issue. Ending pot prohibition makes sense to me in a dozen different ways. But legalization is not about to happen. Decriminalization of small amounts in self-selected places is the best you can get in the present climate.

if california successfully legalized it in a way that made a ton of $ for the state, I could imagine lots of things happening faster outside of california

Somewhat relevant: http://www.slate.com/id/2255385/

Review of new book about prohibition.

Colorado laws re dispensaries. Salon frames it as a positive ("Gov. Bill Ritter signs laws that could let hundreds of dispensaries continue to operate") tho ultimately it's going to involve places closing.

http://www.salon.com/news/medicine/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/06/07/us_medical_marijuana

Legalization is in a large part a civil rights cause.

― Adam Bruneau, Monday, June 7, 2010 9:31 AM Bookmark

^ DING DING DING

btw, this is what their trying to get on the ballot in OR: http://cannabistaxact.org/

Just wanna say wrt legalization versus medical legalization, while I firmly believe that medical legalization is the door to full legalization, I also believe that medical legalization is itself an important battle. I've known many people suffer through ailments that were alleviated in a healthy safe way through medical marijuana and without stating it explicitly, it's an issue that hits very close to home as well. While there are a lot of treatments for certain illnesses + disorders, those treatments often come with side effects and shit like that, whereas marijuana can often really be a wonder drug.

someone happened to have posted this on fb while i was reading this thread: State Medical Marijuana Laws Are Getting Stricter

xp: otm

The weed (legally prescribed in NC) is what got my older sis thru many of her darkest cancer days - it was the only thing she could rely upon to counter the nauseating effect of chemo & morphine (& she tried LOTS of things).

to be fair tho, the couple of weeks i was on a morphine drip, it was the only thing keeping me sane, not sure pot would have done the trick

but pot counters the sort of nausea that is a common side effect of opiates (& chemotherapy, glaucoma, etc.) - I did not mean to suggest it was an alternative to the pain-relief provided by morphine etc.

I understand that there is a limited medical benefit for marijuana (like your chemo patient who relies on it just to be able to eat), so I'm pretty much with CA's Compassionate Use legislation.

Apart from that, I'm largely apathetic toward outright legalization. Right now in CA, all you need is a signed recommendation from a doctor (any doctor—doesn't have to be your primary care doc or even someone referred by them) and you can possess up to eight ounces, and even grow your own.

However, what's happening now is that anybody adult who has $50 and wants to smoke pot legally just goes to one of those "Dr. 420" places for an "evaluation" and picks one of the symptoms off the list.

I don't know what it is about that situation that bothers me, but I think it's the fact that people are exploiting laws designed to protect people with certain illnesses that I take issue with. Fraudulently claiming a medical condition because you want to party or make a buck is just terribly unethical.

I think if it were to be legal for medical use only, it should be treated like other medicines. Put into a pill form, maybe engineered to emphasize certain physiological effects while minimizing others. Take all the fun out of it, so to speak.

A cop I once worked a case with told me that marijuana is "only half-illegal", and he was right. I don't think it's even possible to buy a dime bag of schwag these days, as everybody (even some of the school kids I've worked with) can get access to dispensary weed.

Even though I have friends who still smoke and are decent people, I've also come across way too many "I think I actually drive better when I'm high" type assholes to think that if faced with "Legalize: Y/N" on my ballot, I wouldn't vote either way. I'd be way more inclined to vote in favor of it if there were a ton of restrictions alongside it, such as stronger DUI laws, laws against providing it to those under 21, and regulations on when and where it can be consumed.

pretty sure most of that stuff comes included, dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oDc--yrWQc

XP I know there would have to be rules, but I specifically meant strong legislation. I don't know if simply treating it like alcohol would go far enough.

is there any good reason we shouldn't treat it like alcohol?

SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY

The New York state legislature formally voted to legalize and regulate recreational marijuana for adults and expunge the records of people previously convicted of possession.

Shortly after 10:30 p.m. Tuesday night, the New York State Assembly voted 100-49 to pass the marijuana legalization bill.

dang tho

Had been wondering with all the sexual harassment accusations hitting cuomo if he was going to pull a northam in VA and get legalization legislation signed to try and get some goodwill back.

you wondered correctly

under different circumstances, there would have been mass smoke outs all across nyc in response to this but i dunno if i've even seen anything on insta about it yet!

One crazy provision is that w33d smoking is allowed in public where cigarettes are allowed

:O

lol

https://nypost.com/2021/04/01/nypd-gives-cops-new-orders-to-let-people-smoke-weed-in-public/

Specific guidance in the memo tells cops that people 21 and older can legally smoke weed “almost anywhere that cigarette smoking is allowed including on sidewalks, on front stoops and other public places.”

Wonder how NASWIPP feels about this

Marijuana prohibition is unproductive and unjust — and as the newly elected Board Chair of @NORML, I hope you will join me in putting an end to it. You can get on board right now at https://t.co/qdFr9TGHvx

— Rick Steves (@RickSteves) June 18, 2021

Loling at people just realizing he's been the squarest stoner around for years.

rick steves rules, i aspire to his level of quick-drying, money-belted self-confidence

Biden and the Democrats not even giving us decriminalized weed is just an incredible own goal.

I had no idea about Rick Steves' weed evangelism until that long New Yorker profile of him a few years back. Interesting dude.

Minnesota voice: “And he’s a good Lutheran”.