Rolling Cannabis Politics Thread

i mean, i don't really intend to be unsympathetic but given that The Man has used the legal status of weed as a tool oppress and dominate and flip and profit from anyone without a country club membership for going on 100 years now, "but what about the children" just doesn't automatically get my head nodding

(btw I'm not even a doper, just angry)

"With alcohol, it's pretty simple. Adults can drink, but they can't be drunk around the kids. "One with dinner" usually works as a reasonable guideline."

wait, "one" is one bottle of wine, right?

Roger, it's not just to make my job easier. It's just that at the very limited intersection of my profession and current legislation, I've found that there's a lot left uncovered, and should be covered. In the interest of the public's health and welfare, I just feel that it would be reckless for voters to legalize it without a thorough set of guidelines accompanying it. Even places like Amsterdam have guidelines on when, where, and how much can be possessed, purchased, cultivated, etc. This just isn't a matter to let precedent and case law dictate.

I also disagree with you in that I don't see the legal status of a controlled substance as being a civil rights issue. Disparities amongst protected classes in sentencing and even law enforcement's conduct, sure, but there is no right to get high.

Jim, when your average burnout uses a medical argument to obtain weed because he wants to party, it does stigmatize those with valid medical needs. I might be the only one claiming that here, but I know of plenty who also feel that way. I know if I had a condition where MM was the only effective option, I'd probably feel a little put off if I were picking up some from a dispensary and saw another customer bragging about how they just scored some dank nugs and that tonight's session is going to be amazing.

I take a pretty liberal stance towards it, and feel that what a responsible adult does in the privacy of his/her own home is (and ought to be) of little concern to me, as long as it does not interfere with their ability to be an effective parent/caregiver, that they're not contributing to the delinquency of minors, and that nobody else is in any way being endangered. But for those instances that it does effect others, there should be new mechanisms in place to deal with it.

there is no right to get high

sure there is! i mean you pretty much said so yourself in your last paragraph.

you have like the straightedge dork's view of stereotypical potsmokers, i should just shut up now

off to smoke my dank nuggs bro!

Hope you have an epic session

lol'n at granny!

yeah i'm just going to chime in here to say that i don't really understand what naus is on about. if you can't really show someone is impaired by any other measure than a blood concentration test then can you really say they're impaired?

like, the people in authority can't demonstrate any sort of lack of attention or coordination or visual acuity here but they're going to claim that you're impaired? it strikes me as an approach that says that it's more important to have a rule that you can enforce than to have a rule that makes sense.

also bragging about scoring dank nugs and tonight's session would get me kicked out of both the cooperatives that i visit.

Even places like Amsterdam have guidelines on when, where, and how much can be possessed, purchased, cultivated, etc.

also, as a medical marijuana patient, i can assure you that there are pretty thorough guidelines on when, where and how much can be possessed, purchased, cultivated, etc.

Not always, as my visits are usually always scheduled in advance. People can do quite a bit to clean things up before I actually arrive at the home. This includes hiding things (leaving things w/ friends and other relatives, coaching the kids, and doing anything else to minimize things that could reflect poorly on them.

^^ so anyway is there anything about this sentence that applies specifically to marijuana and not alcohol? or do you routinely schedule breathalyzer tests for people on your caseload?

come to think of it, isn't this equally true for any sort of behavior that could adversely affect the kids?

no just weed

I am a better parent when I'm high

you mean when you're *medicated*

crash course in marijuana dispensary etiquette, for those of you who might be wondering

customers = "patients"
marijuana = "medication"
getting high = "medicating"

I don't have children iirc don't arrest me naus

my nugs....are my children

as a high school teacher, i am *extremely* disturbed by the lack of proper drug testing tools for marijuana

a kid could be in school, doing well in class, getting along with friends, not showing any changes in personality ... and yet, i have no way of knowing if they're getting high after school!!!!

dude, you know you can tell

lol

one of my friends on the moonship plan (medicated high school teacher) still has enough teaching vigor to call his students out when they're high

#1 starts every sentence w "dude"

#2 has pizza delivered to classroom

i actually caught a kid with weed at school a couple of months ago. i asked him what he had in the baggie and he said "herbal medicine". i was sad that he got expelled, but rules are rules.

Your friend actually teaches while he's on medical marijuana?

noooooo

could not imagine what a nightmare that would be

kid was dumb for saying he had any sort of "medicine" at school iirc

we were actually super-tight too. he wrote me a long rambly email later where he apologized for his bad decision and said he'd always love me. i hope he's making better decisions now. if i brought my medication in to work i'd be fired in a heartbeat! (we're not even allowed to have OTC medication in our office)

Yeah, seriously. Cannot imagine someone teaching (or learning) while actually on marijuana at that moment.

that sux

hmmm ... teaching / learning are complex processes that happen in lots of different contexts. i'd say you could probably learn certain things or teach certain things while on marijuana. like, uh, how to play mario kart. classroom teaching takes a lot of responsibility, quick decision-making and multitasking though. in fact, teachers make more snap decisions (300 per day, on average) than any other profession except law enforcement. so i'd never try classroom teaching.

in fact, teachers make more snap decisions (300 per day, on average) than any other profession except law enforcement.

Is this true? Hate to get off the topic (ILXlol) but do you have an article or source for that? I'd be really interested in reading about it.

i'm not a researcher, that's just what one paper said in my master's program. a quick google search for "teachers 'decisions per day'" turns up some researchers that claim we make 3000 decisions per day!

humans make about 3000 snap decisions per hour ime. or maybe I have just been smoking too much weed

lol at snap weed decisions, "should i go buy ice cream or not," "should i eat two scoops or just the entire pint," "should i listen to sublime or dave matthews band?" "should i play Madden or rock band?"

oh right. the context for that "decisions" statement is "leadership decisions", i.e. "should i let this kid go to the bathroom?" or "should i accept this late homework". stuff like that.

Yeah, seriously. Cannot imagine someone teaching (or learning) while actually on marijuana at that moment.

― Mordy, Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:39 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

dude this must be sarcasm cuz ^that^ pretty much describes college imo

Sitting in class != learning. And there's a lot of pot smoking in colleges, but I think the amount of in-class smoking is probably overstated

only helps if its a filmstrip day ime

GRANNY DAINGER YOU TICKLE ME ELMO

you obv got the dank nuggs then, my broskiheems

on the real tho i have seen people smoke and smoke and smoke 2 more and they may babble on abt some silliness but when dudes drink like that they fall down and shit. the psychoactive nature of weed me thinks gets to a point where the cannabinoid receptors are saturated and then although you may ingest more it really aint doing much to intoxicate you. bear in mind this is me riffin with no sources, just pontificating. but i knows from experience how whiskey river can take yr mind. i dunno has anyone ever been out smokin mad reefers and couldn't remember coming home or doing some dumb shit yr friends tell you abt the next day? i never did

worst i've seen is people passing out, don't know what's that all about. i've gotten lightheaded/dizzy a few times myself.

yea worst i've seen is peeps get sleepy, which granted you don't want those dudes driving

only times i drove high was cause we had no spot to do it without getting in trouble (high school & college days, no place of our own) cause...wait for it...it's illegal

Ton of NPR stories: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127403401
Ton of CBS stories: http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-504243_162-156.html

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/11/marc-emery-canadas-prince-of-pot-extradited-to-u-s/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/06/marijuana_law

Prop. 19 approval could decrease marijuana costs, increase consumption, report says