transgenderism for the masses

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I have not. Is it about your mom?

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it about your mom?
Yes.

She was a woman trapped in a man's body born in Chiang Mai. Learned Muay Thai and knocked out a woman wrestler in Tokyo. She went back to Chiang Mai, donated some DNA to a cow, used a baboon as a surrogate mother and BY GOD, here I am talking sweet nothings to you.

lucas (lucas), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

See, there's that funny essentialism about the "trapped in an X's body" formulation that always gets used, and I do kind of find it funny how the whole concept of transgender both accepts that essentialism and aims at making it obsolete.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

the people is that we live with this whole collection of what could be considered transgendered that didnt feature the construction you talking about nitsuh--hormonal, chromosonely, genitally and socially--and gender changes over a persons life time--i would argue that things like clitrodectmies, hysteorcotimes, other surgical correctons change sex as well as gender

i think that most people in the educated, middle class, west post the second wave femminism, have become ungendered, but have not constructed sex in a similarly different way.

and now, recently we are flinging biology.

anthony, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

You can do and still be posing.


Yes, but the implication is not biconditional.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

My knee hurts.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

whether transgendered or not, queens aren't particularly embarrassing any more than anyone else is, unless what's embarrassing is knowing that someone is performing something about themselves in real time. which we all do to some degree, i think, just not very thinkingly, and usually not as explicitly as queens do. but nabisco what you call the "2-D" accoutrements of femininity that queens take up for themselves i would argue have been re-3D'd by their use and performance within those communities.. in fact, i don't know any "real" woman who talks, or acts or even dresses like most queens i've met. so "being a queen" isn't mimickry, it's something else, a further elaboration of things, and at this point -- probably at all points -- it's got its own logic and traditions, which certainly occasionally bump up against "being a woman" but aren't trying to replace it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

wait. I think we are conflating doing and being here. Some identity labels rely on behavior (eg. being a vegetarian means that one doesn't eat meat, being a lesbian means that one is a woman who has sex with women) and some on other characteristics. If one believes that gender is the former then nope, not bullshit at'all.

Also your statement about non lesbians acting like lesbians and non-vegetarians acting like vegetarians confuses me. Please clarify.

mouse (mouse), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

My other knee hurts.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

this guy at work is in the process of becoming a woman. they sent a site-wide email out telling everyone this, but the point of the email was to let everyone know that said person would be using the restroom in the nurse's office until the operation was done. it was very bizarre.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link


Yes, but the implication is not biconditional.

You're a smart guy. Catch a few more smart points and you may realize how stoopit u really is.

lucas (lucas), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link


ihttp://www.handwritingforkids.com/handwrite/manuscript/names/lucas.

hey... that's good. Besides walking around with your head up your ass, what other skills do you possess?


lucas (lucas), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link


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