― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link
They aren't in existance, so how?
I got a 'greatest hits' in a bootsale, was all 'ah lovely' got it home, thought "This is boring".
Is that active enough for yez?
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jim M (jmcgaw), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there.
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― larssen (larssen), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
WRONG. I would be perfectly happy to never hear another note performed by John Fogerty ever, ever again.
I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arrangements, tendency to jam aimlessly -- Oh No, It's Dadaismus (dadaismu...), June 2nd, 2006 11:12 AM.
You got it.
― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
where can this be seen? (Youtube it...?) its not in the movie.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― jergins (jergins), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― jergins (jergins), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link
But yeah, I agree for the most part. CCR totally rule.
― Keith C (lync0), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Friday, 2 June 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link
While I don't actively hate either of these, I really have no interest in either one.
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
One song I will allow: The one about Lodi is at least moderately tolerable. That's the highest compliment I can pay, sorry.
― Fryin' Berry and Lon Jennon (Bimble...), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― gbx (skowly), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Creedence Clearwater Revival live at Woodstock.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link
b) All members of CCR are guaranteed to go to heaven when they die, thanks to their version of Good Golly Miss Molly.
c) Cosmo is seriously ripped in that Woodstock footage!
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Saturday, 3 June 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
Creedence were about the only late-'60s Bay Area band who didn't jam aimlessly. they barely "jammed" at all! two long songs on Cosmo's Factory /= "a tendency"
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 3 June 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 3 June 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 3 June 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
hell yeah!!!
good article (when you see a subsection titled "keep on chooglin" you know the author is on the level). i knew of some of his struggles with the record companies but didn't know the depth of the treachery.
In addition to taking his artist royalties for decades, in 1985, Zaentz sued Fogerty for $144 million, alleging the artist’s then current hit, “The Old Man Down the Road,” ripped off CCR’s “Run Through the Jungle.” Even though Fogerty had written both songs, Zaentz claimed Fogerty was now plagiarizing a song Zaentz owned. After Fogerty won, his effort to be reimbursed for his $1.3 million in legal fees went all the way to the Supreme Court in 1993. For years, Fogerty refused to play CCR songs live, unable to stomach Zaentz making money off his performances, but he softened his stance in 1987 with a little prodding from Bob Dylan. While at revered North Hollywood, Calif., club the Palomino, Fogerty, Dylan and George Harrison joined headliner Taj Mahal on stage. “The crowd started asking for ‘Proud Mary,’” Fogerty recalls. “Bob looked at me and said, ‘John, if you don’t do ‘Proud Mary,’ everybody’s gonna think it’s a Tina Turner song,’” referencing Ike & Tina Turner’s 1971 cover. “It’s Bob Dylan, for crying out loud. In my mind, I was still committed that I wasn’t going to do those songs, but I decided I guess I can give that up for three minutes.” Later that year, Fogerty began incorporating CCR songs back into his set.
For years, Fogerty refused to play CCR songs live, unable to stomach Zaentz making money off his performances, but he softened his stance in 1987 with a little prodding from Bob Dylan. While at revered North Hollywood, Calif., club the Palomino, Fogerty, Dylan and George Harrison joined headliner Taj Mahal on stage. “The crowd started asking for ‘Proud Mary,’” Fogerty recalls. “Bob looked at me and said, ‘John, if you don’t do ‘Proud Mary,’ everybody’s gonna think it’s a Tina Turner song,’” referencing Ike & Tina Turner’s 1971 cover. “It’s Bob Dylan, for crying out loud. In my mind, I was still committed that I wasn’t going to do those songs, but I decided I guess I can give that up for three minutes.” Later that year, Fogerty began incorporating CCR songs back into his set.
man, Zaentz brings great shame to the letter Z
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 January 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link
keep on boining
― everybody was tofu fighting (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 12 January 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
Yeah, this is great news. I've been reading Fogerty's autobiography, and it's tragic how much this one terrible decision to sign that contract with Zaentz messed up his life. Glad he finally is seeing a happy ending.
― o. nate, Thursday, 12 January 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
This is wonderful
― Indexed, Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
wow that is excellent news
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:28 (one year ago) link
so, to be clear (cuz I don't know how it works), Fogerty's never earned a dime in royalties or publishing until now?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:30 (one year ago) link
if so, that's gotta be one of the biggest lost fortunes in music history
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link
no, i think he did retain rights to some revenues, though not nearly as much as he should have gotten. just from the billboard article, it mentions:
One of the first moves Concord made was to reinstate and increase Fogerty’s artist royalties, which Fogerty had relinquished to Zaentz in 1980 to get out of his Fantasy deal and had not received in 25 years.
Fogerty, who had retained his writer’s share of his CCR copyrights, also owns the masters and publishing to his solo material, including such hits as “Centerfield,” “Rockin’ All Over the World,” and “Almost Saturday Night.”
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:40 (one year ago) link
a chooglehead can provide more detail. and i'm not sure how retaining the writer's share of the copyright compares to artist royalties and owning the masters and publishing. it's probably peanuts, but it wouldn't be zero.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:43 (one year ago) link
Writer and publisher shares are usually 50/50 each; writer royalties legally can't be below 50%.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link
^^^ so he probably did OK, but had to watch a lot of $ go to his hated nemesis
― sleeve, Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link
Yeah, they were sufficiently high that he didn't have to release records or tour for 10 years!
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:23 (one year ago) link
Thanks!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link
We should have a poll of biggest record executive assholes: Zaentz, Allen Klein, the Bert Berns, who else?
― Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Friday, 13 January 2023 00:02 (one year ago) link
the
― Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Friday, 13 January 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link
Plenty of small label owners to add to such a list! Most of them in fact.
― the billy sherwood of trad jazz (Matt #2), Friday, 13 January 2023 00:04 (one year ago) link
Greg Ginn belongs on that list for sure, and Tony whatsisname from Victory Records.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 13 January 2023 00:21 (one year ago) link
Armen Boladian for sure
Matthew Katz should count
― birdistheword, Friday, 13 January 2023 00:46 (one year ago) link
Ginn is really bad
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 January 2023 00:56 (one year ago) link
The Homestead guys
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Friday, 13 January 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link
Don RobeyMorris Levy
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 January 2023 01:13 (one year ago) link
“John’s songs are some of the chooglinest compositions of the 20th century,” Valentine said.
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 13 January 2023 01:22 (one year ago) link
Robey, definitely. A complete sack of shit, and until recently, I didn't realize that some believe he coerced Big Mama Thornton into loading the bullet that killed Johnny Ace into his gun.
― birdistheword, Friday, 13 January 2023 01:35 (one year ago) link
(I doubt the theory myself, but that's only a small part of an article detailing how terrible Robey was.)
― birdistheword, Friday, 13 January 2023 01:37 (one year ago) link
Was driving around this morning and "Commotion" came on, so you know what I did?
I turned that shit *up*.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 January 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
I think someone was intentionally making a statement, playing that song on the sound-system one day in Walmart just before Christmas.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 16 January 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
A manager rather than a record company guy but hard to beat this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Polley
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 16 January 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
If you include managers, Peter Grant has to be near the top of the list.
― Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Monday, 16 January 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link
Grant didn’t steal from, or otherwise rip off, his bands. But he got in way over his head thinking that surrounding Zeppelin with his gangster buddies, and using brute force bullying tactics, was a good idea. Zep got their money, and control over their work, but Grant did tremendous damage (physical and emotional) along the way. Not for nothing did Plant and Page take on Who/Judas Priest manager Bill Curbishley for the UnLeded records/tours.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link
Sweet hitchakikah
― calstars, Saturday, 4 February 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link
The red 15 means "not allowed." I tried.
https://phildellio.tripod.com/choogled.jpg
― clemenza, Friday, 3 March 2023 02:55 (one year ago) link
"Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" has recently crossed the Billion spins threshold on Spotify, with "Fortunate Son" coming up next with almost 924 Million plays.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 3 March 2023 03:09 (one year ago) link
How much $ does that translate to
― calstars, Friday, 3 March 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link
around 3 million dollars?
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 3 March 2023 07:06 (one year ago) link