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mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Beatles: "Yesterday" (I've always found this one astonishing. The first verse is 7 measures long, not the traditional 8, because of an accelerated turnaround at the end. Then, where the 8th measure should be, the second verse starts with the word "Suddenly," showing that he knew exactly what he was doing.)

Beatles: "All You Need Is Love"

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Diana Ross: "Upside Down"

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Beatles: "We Can Work It Out"

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

REM: "Shiny Happy People"

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Innuendo" by Queen, obviously.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hey Ya" is definitely crowded with weird time signature, and that is very much a major reason for its appeal and impact. Not at least because it is from a genre where this kind of thing (apart from polyrhythmics and other microrhythmic tendencies, it must be added) is so unusual.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What, Indie?

Everything Is Ill-Educated (noodle vague), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

No (although you don't find a lot of prog tendencies in indie either, at least not until the mid 90s)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Prog being the only musical form where weird time signatures occur

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"Heart Of Glass" was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

New Pornographers anyone?

myopic_void (myopic_void), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably half a dozen Soundgarden songs that were very popular on rock radio. Definitely "The Day I Tried To Live." But probably doesn't fit into the thread idea the best. But it's pretty poppy, condsidering...

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, my FAVORITE odd-meter in a rap song is one solitary measure of 3/4 in the middle of MC EZ & Troup's "Get Retarded." I don't know whether I prefer to imagine that it was a tape skip and he just found a way to rhyme over it, or if it was just a nerd-out moment planned from the giddyup. Either way it's totally inspired, and I haven't heard anything like it since.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Much like the pattern in Audio Two's "Top Billin'," which is three repeating measures of 4/4, instead of four. But that WAS a happy accident (and not really on odd meter, just weird)

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Prefab Sprout, "Wild Horses"

hank (hank s), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

wow i never twigged the cut off bar (just after the double hand clap i think?) in Hey Ya. Genius!
I love that song.

Axel Normand (axelnormand), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"I Should Be So Lucky" is apparently very strange, musically.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Dionne Warwick's "Anyone Who Had a Heart": It goes from 3/8 to 2/4 to 4/4....in the first line.

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Burt Bacharah - CLOSE THREAD

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, "Anyone Who Had A Heart" is pretty convoluted indeed.

(F. Mac's) "Go Your Own Way" sounds really complicated with its odd accents and drum pattern, but it's just plain old 4/4 throughout.

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

The verse on the Toadies' "Possum Kingdom" does 3 measures of 4, one of 2.

mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

then 4 measures of 4. then repeats the set of eight again

mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

... and the Toadies' "Possum Kingdom" is a famous pop song is it?

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

In Billboard's top five for mainstream rock in '95. Admittedly no Heart of Glass, but famous enough. And damn catchy.

mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

XTC, "Great Fire" (well, I believe it was a single?)
"Some Peter Gabriel song": "Solsbury Hill", which incidentally had pretty huge sales.

Sith Vidious (nest), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Solsbury Hill = 7/4
Don't Give Up = 12/8

StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Weezer's got a few that play some tricks in this vein ... Sum 41's pretty good at this kinda thing as well.

Also, "Carry on My Wayward Son" may just count.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, while BTS's Keep it Like a Secret never spawned any pop hits (though if life were perfect ...), it had some absolute gold standards for how to do weird, beautiful pop-rock better than any other record in recent memory, I think.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I seem to remember a Pretenders song in 5/4.

King Crimson, Yes, Genesis... all UK chart acts no? Or is that cheating.

factcheckr (factcheckr), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Lennon did this a lot:

She Said She Said
Good Morning
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Dig a Pony

darin (darin), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

And great job to Limp Bizkit for covering the 5/4 Mission Impossible theme in... 4/4.

mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Led Zeppelin: Kashmir

And if that one doesn't count as "pop", then I guess that Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page collaboration based on "Kashmir" does anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

kool & the gang "jungle boogie"

dave q (listerine), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hey dave

youn (youn), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ageless Beauty" by Stars

This is straightforward 4/4.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 22 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Led Zeppelin - Black Dog (15/4)

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Simply Red, "Fairground" - each bar in the verse is in a different time signature.

Does "Say A Little Prayer" count?

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think the Beatles' "Blackbird" was mentioned. The time signature is constantly shifting. If "radio-friendly" (= gets played on the radio) is the criteria, then Zeppelin and Floyd and Soundgarden should definitely count, as should a bunch of Rush songs ("Tom Sawyer" and "Distant Early Warning" def) and Jethro Tull's "Livin' In the Past" (5/4?).

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I was wondering about "Ageless Beauty" too; I'm just going by memory but I don't remember any rhythmic weirdness.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Ya doesn't have any unusual time signatures. It just has a bar of 2. Same thing with Blackbird. It's not that weird to have some bars of 2 in a 4/4 song.

Weezer's got a few that play some tricks in this vein

Like which?

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Damnit, I keep fucking up the italics.

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

SUB-THREAD:
"It's not the down- it's the up-beat": Pop Songs and Dance Anthems Where the One is Not Where You Think It Is

anyone?

Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 September 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Ya doesn't have any unusual time signatures. It just has a bar of 2.

I think that counts as a metric shift.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Saturday, 23 September 2006 04:44 (seventeen years ago) link

This tab for "Blackbird" gives the opening figure as a bar of 3/4 followed by a bar of 4/4. Then the verse has a bar of 3/4 followed by 3 bars of 4/4 while the chorus is 2 bars of 3/2 (or 6/4) followed by a turnaround that consists of 2 bars of 4/4 followed by a bar of 2/4. It's not just a 4/4 tune with a little bit of 2/4 thrown in. The whole rhythmic push and pull comes from the movement between 3 and 4.

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 23 September 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, 'Say a Little Prayer' totally counts! Nice one! The chorus has 2 bars of four, then one of 3, then repeats, and then has triplets on the climactic "heartbreak" line.

Maybe it's unfair to exclude Devo. But is Jocko Homo (Are we not men?) the only one?

Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 September 2006 09:24 (seventeen years ago) link

We should probably mention the only hit song (AFAIK) named after its time signature, Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" (so titled because it swings in 5/4).

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Ya doesn't have any unusual time signatures. It just has a bar of 2.

It's a bar of 3, isn't it? What other pop songs have this?

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The chorus 'Remind Me To Smile' by Gary Numan has an interesting one:

(4/4) - "Remind me"
(4/4) - "To smile, you"
(4/4) - "Know the 'old"
(4/4) - "friends' line it"
(4/4) - "gets so I"
(7/4) - "feel like I'm in this"
(5/4) - "cold... glass cage"
(4/4) - *riff*

The 7/4 and 5/4 could be written as three bars of 4/4 - and this seems to help keep the Roland drum machine rhythm pattern in time when it gets to the next verse (which is rigidly stuck in 4/4), but it seems impossible to count them as three blocks of 4 because of the way the beats are stressed.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 23 November 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

always enamored by this one:
Barbara Manning - B4 We Go Under (teenbeat records classic, written by Robert Scott, later re-covered by his Magick Heads)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsfW6QmL_zc

my attempt at parsing:
intro/verses: 4 4 4 6
chorus: 4 4 6

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 25 November 2012 05:48 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This is a crazy one that doesn't get talked about a lot, would love for the formalists talk this one through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7lTFzdSn0

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link

Pre-chorus and chorus are obv in 4/4. In the verses, the rhythm section's parts are based on a pattern of 10 eighth notes grouped 3-3-2-2. You could notate that as a dotted rhythm in 5/4 or else in 10/8, which isn't a very common time signature but does seem to describe what's going on. The keyboard part still seems to be in 4 though!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 05:24 (eleven years ago) link

(It's late and I've been drinking rum nog though.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link

AMG describes it as "a surprisingly straightforward ballad"!

Is anything on the rest of Panorama this ambitious, rhythmically?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 05:30 (eleven years ago) link

You could notate that as a dotted rhythm in 5/4

Would prob do this.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 05:44 (eleven years ago) link

five years pass...

Please tell me I'm not crazy! My friends hear nothing but 4/4 in this George Jones song, but I'm hearing shortened measures early in the main verses. First happens about 13 seconds in. Very unusual for a traditional country song, methinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whj-ONfbH64

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

You're crazy.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 14 February 2019 05:01 (five years ago) link

Yeah, Jazzbo, you're not crazy...but you're not hearing the song correctly, I think. It's straight 4/4, a very simple two-step, completely standard structurally. Nothing unusual about it at all. What may be fooling you is the way it picks up within the measure, and the way it goes from I to V within the structure. You'll look in vain for a country tune that has any metric shifts or unusual time signatures; it simply doesn't occur.

eddhurt, Saturday, 16 February 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link

There is absolutely one measure of 2/4 in each verse

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 February 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link

Count along

4 bars of 4/4
1 bar of 4/4 • 1 bar of 2/4 • 2 bars of 4/4
4 bars of 4/4
4 bars of 4/4

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 February 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link

It's not Dream Theater or anything but there's two beats dropped in each verse

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 February 2019 21:13 (five years ago) link

yeah, E, but the song is simply a two-step. does the bassist ever deviate from playing the same pattern? Nope. you simply count the song in 2. One, two, one, two. Where's the complication here? There is none. What is perhaps notable is the structure of the song, which is completely standard in country music. There are no beats dropped at all. This song is quite similar to the Jones hit "Someone I Used to Know." Any country musician worth his salt would immediately see this is nothing to worry about and also, completely intuitive. The thing that makes it distinctive is the way it picks up from the second beat of the 2/2 measure, which I guess gives the illusion that there's something like "dropping beats" going on here. Great song.

eddhurt, Sunday, 17 February 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link

Whiney's schemata is correct. The only difference between this part of the verse:

4 bars of 4/4
1 bar of 4/4 • 1 bar of 2/4 • 2 bars of 4/4

and this part:

4 bars of 4/4
4 bars of 4/4

...is that it spends less time on the V chord in the first part. Otherwise, the chord progression is the same both times through.

timellison, Sunday, 17 February 2019 22:05 (five years ago) link

I wouldn't mind the idea of notating it in 2/2, though.

timellison, Sunday, 17 February 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link

Here's another one: "Knock Three Times" by Dawn.

SlimAndSlam, Thursday, 21 February 2019 11:28 (five years ago) link

In the Jones song, there's a measure of 3/4. At :46, when he sings "I broke the heart." So it actually adds a beat. It's probably best notated in 2/4.

eddhurt, Friday, 22 February 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

what's this song's time signature? on the album version you can hear a woman (Anna W., presumably) counting off "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVHJjD5Bcw

alpine static, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link

i have no idea but i am so hyped that that dog. have a new record out

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 02:02 (four years ago) link

You'll look in vain for a country tune that has any metric shifts or unusual time signatures; it simply doesn't occur.

This is...not accurate. “Ring of Fire” and “Galveston” have shortened measures as well, to name two.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 02:16 (four years ago) link

Brandy - What About Us
The chorus to the Bee Gees' 'Jive Talkin'
The instrumental part of MacArthur Park

Agreed that country rarely has metric shifts, but Mexican Banda and Mariachi music often does add extra beats, so when country emulates Mexican music, as with Ring of Fire, it will use metric shifts.

Publicradio (3×5), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link

that that dog song is 4/4, the chorus sounds like alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4

blows with the wind donors (crüt), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link

"What About Us?" is straight 4/4, isn't it? Just with a lot of singing behind the beat or sounds off the beat

Vinnie, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link

I think the George Jones song is confusing because he starts singing before the beat appears, so every line seems to start on 2 instead of 1.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 06:39 (four years ago) link

I don’t know how to say it in proper music terms.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 06:40 (four years ago) link

that that dog song is 4/4, the chorus sounds like alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4

I'd say 6/4 & 4/4 but yeah. Although, the part at 2:30 is in 7/4, but the drums keep rolling through in 4/4.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link

thanks. i guess i thought it was weirder than that. shows what i know!

alpine static, Thursday, 17 October 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link

odd that Golden Brown hasn't been mentioned http://www.rebelmusicteacher.com/blog/2016/6/14/asymmetrical-compound-meter-in-the-stranglers-golden-brown

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:08 (four years ago) link

oops, I see it has, but it's not 3/4 and 4/4

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:08 (four years ago) link

You'll look in vain for a country tune that has any metric shifts or unusual time signatures; it simply doesn't occur.

The Carter Family's Rhythmic Asymmetry

Time on the Crooked Road: Isochrony, Meter, and Disruption in Old-Time Country and Bluegrass Music

chips moomin (unregistered), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:20 (four years ago) link

On occasions like this I like to pull out "South African Man" by Bohannon - which was a hit single in case anyone objects, in the UK at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3BEUMyzgs

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:52 (four years ago) link

I overheard MGMT’s Electric Feel and noticed it has an unusual time signature. Double checked on google and it’s apparently on 6/4 safe from the instrumental bridge which is 4/4.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

This song is quite similar to the Jones hit "Someone I Used to Know."

Except that song ("A Girl I Used to Know") features the standard 32 beats per 8-measure verse. "Not What I Had in Mind" has 30 beats in each verse — just count them.
Even if you consider this a two-step, there are still two beats "missing" in each verse. It doesn't bother me — I actually think it's a pretty cool thing to do in a country song. But I'm surprised so many people can't hear it.

TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link


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