letz talk abt gucci mane

Also, the available metrics kinda are invalid!!

Al I'm not arguing chris is rong bcuz gucci is popular, I think he's wrong cuz guccis music is a big deal

The analogy is that gucci is as significant to rap now as big was then.

aaaaand you're wrong.

loooool

Aaaand. I disagree

i still want to know why you think the e-40 double album is better than mr. zone 6, aka the best gucci mane mixtape

Because the beats blow it out of the fuckin water

gucci is like big in the fact that he's easily the most lyrically creative and appealing rapper out right now

there are like 600 e-40 albums with dope beats? are these beats really better than the beats on e-40 albums?

the rapping on the gucci mixtape is better than the rapping on any other gucci mixtape, when taken as a whole -- dude is still totally improving as a rapper

the convo isn't about whether gucci is artistically comparable to big, it's about whether he's as BIG as big was, which he's just not, no.

and deej is right, pretty much every song on "mr. zone 6" has a different flow -- not sure how he could be called 'repetitive' in that sense

i mean i know you're trying to steer the thread toward a point you feel is worth making to take the focus off deej being fulla shit, but sorry. (xpost)

tracing out influence is really hard right now since there are like 3 rappers that anyone cares about

well i've always been more to the center of deej on this issue

Al as an east coast dude this may shock and amaze but biggie wasn't even close to as big a deal as like pac and bone thugs. I can tell u right now, in chicago, gucci is a pop star, and easily on par w big's significance circa ready to die. No he's not at 'benjamins' level ubiquity but imo fukk u for yr grandstanding ringtone cru judge & jury 'evenhanded' posturing itt

he needs a song as big as "big poppa" to be even close to big's level at that time. he doesn't. fucking. have it.

i definitely agree that in 94-95 Pac and Bone Thugs had overall a bigger presence, it even seemed that way on the east coast. but that doesn't mean anything. Gucci's just not that big. yet, anyway.

i'm not even arguing that Big was THE most popular most important rapper of his era or anything, i'm just saying whatever level he was at, Gucci isn't at it.

Actually correction - gucci is def bigger than rtd era big, not as big as lad big, at least in chi

of course he hasn't done anything as big as Life After Death anywhere. i'm giving you an easier slope to climb by focusing on RTD era.

Yeah al I basically think you're entirely wrong! Maybe its bcuz they've been playing his mixtape tracks for going on three yrs now in my city but lemonade is easily as popular as big poppa

david

just replace "Chicago" with "in my brain" and deej starts to make perfect sense

i will give Gucci a lot of credit in that the kind of grassroots success he's had without a lot of media/industry kingmakers helping him along is in some ways more impressive and meaningful than the popularity currently enjoyed by the hollowed out husks that used to be Jay, Kanye, Wayne, etc...but that still doesn't mean he IS more popular/significant/etc. than those guys.

i mean it's totally fair to say Gucci is the biggest non-Canadian non-sucks-compared-to-his-old-records rapper out right now, but you can't just pretend those caveats don't exist and say outright he's the biggest rapper in the world in 2010

i would say eminem is still the most popular rapper

i really want someone to actually make a chupacabra/candelabra rhyme now

i still haven't listened to mr zone 6, every time i cue it up something happens like love king leaks or the big boi album leaks

741,000 in this day and age is UNREAL first week numbers xpost

who sold 741k?

em

Which gucci would have done except for THE METRICS

for what? recovery? ew america

i do think that gucci's peak popularity is still potentially in front of him -- he has a chance here to come out with a huge single as long as he doesn't fuck it up by doing "spotlight pt 2"

anger management tour vets are a loyal bunch

esp with the producers he's working with & the radio momentum he has from "wasted"/"lemonade"/"we be steady mobbin"

I never said he was more popular than kanye??? Maybe try arguing w what I'm actually saying. He is more important to rap as a whole than kanye and I look forward to u disingenuously saying I'm moving the goalposts inresponse.

Also whiney you lame hypocritical faux klosterman hack maybe stick to writing about what u know, like puppy fashion, instead of urban areas u know nothing about??

yeah...it's hard to say how much jailtime or releasing lame songs as singles and great songs as mixtape deep cuts has hurt his profile overall, but he definitely has momentum on his side.

deej stop with the bullshit about whiney shouldn't get to write about rap or certain kinds of rap, it's pointless and dumb. you were the one that had to be nitpicky about his tweet review on this thread and get the bullshit going again.

He is more important to rap as a whole than kanye

this is absolutely wrong too.

i do think that gucci's peak popularity is still potentially in front of him -- he has a chance here to come out with a huge single as long as he doesn't fuck it up by doing "spotlight pt 2"

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I can see this. The way that t.i.'s high quality kept things getting bigger and bigger and made paper trail a big f deal even if it may not have been king the album that should have been his biggest

(/non american view)

he's certainly the most important rapper in the game right now if you're talking about the art and not importance in terms of popularity or influence -- there are like 3 good MCs making music, and he's the best of them

He is more important to rap as a whole than kanye

i basically don't consider kanye or drake hip hop at all (kanye i used to, drake never was imo)

Al u are being super manipulative with what I'm saying. I've never claimed he's the most popular rapper out, ever!

surely the likes of jeezy are way more important than gucci?

and i never claimed that's what you were saying! xp

And yes I think he's more important to rap than kanye.

Al and whiney are on some jblount decietful argument style itt

five most important rappers, july 30, 2010

1 - big boi
2 - royce the 5-9
3 - yelawolf
4 - raekwon
5 - sean price

it depends on how you define importance -- i think you could make an argument that jeezy is more vital to rap as a genre right now because he's doing rap on a bigger scale than gucci, but he's not making better music (altho it's close)

You implied it in the same post where you conflated 'popular' and 'significant'