letz talk abt gucci mane

US rappers who do shiny bouncy shite are pretty huge atm - flo rida, t.i. thanks to "live your life" &c

also insert missy elliott and kanye west being two of the most popular US rappers in the UK, thanks largely to their sui generis nature

forgot missy exists :( also cannot see anyone care for anything kanye does anytime soon tbh

do <3 that busta was like the biggest rapper in uk popularity for like a year, gives me hope for the future

is t.i. actually huge though? maybe. it could just be a personal thing in that the ppl i know irl didn't give a shit abt 'king' or anything

Jay-Z Vol 3 is a guy coming off of a 4x platinum album and having a hit on the scale of "Big Pimpin'." there are no download statistics or regional radio spins you can wave around for Gucci that are comparable to that.

― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:48 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because no one goes platinum any more!!

― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:07 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fucking C-Murder went multi plat, if you dont think gucci's selling at least that many copies you're crazy!

― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:08 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course Gucci's a bigger star than C-Murder ever was and of course it was easier to sell big numbers back then...but you said he's as big as Jay shortly after Hard Knock Life, which is insane.

i dunno theres this bizarre subset of rap songs that crossed over in the uk. like you can go out to a random club in any county town and they will regularly drop 'gravel pit' or something

i don't get this whole "noone listens to rap anymore" thing. EVERYONE under 40 pretty much listens to rap, possibly far more than in the '90s, even if it's just big singles or cheesy crossover artists that you don't consider real rap.

i know there's always gonna be a core of corny white people who are totally isolated from rap but i don't feel like that percentage of the music audience is any bigger than it ever was.

he wasn't big circa king (though "what you know" has become pretty accepted/known as canon due to DJs still playing it all the time), it was "live your life" that broke him and "dead and gone" that consolidated - who knows whether people will care about king uncaged, but the foundation's there now. might be an interesting litmus test of the extent of gangsta the UK public can get into.

xps

also waka flocka has a legitimate rap career solely because he was gucci's understudy

for real? i had zero idea that anyone really gave a shit about wacka flocka outside of a couple songs, i guess i thought he was like...i dunno...maino or kia shine level

i mean, i can see gucci being huge in chicago. tbf, it is a big "pitchfork town" with drag city and thrill jockey and numero group and everything. i think bands like fucking champs and oxxes are regarded as pop stars in chicago too

like you can go out to a random club in any county town and they will regularly drop 'gravel pit' or something

ha yeah!

also, b.o.b. got a UK no 1 the other week o_0

"o let's do it" was a legit hit, and he gets more respect in the rap world i think than those guys ever did, but maybe it's just a subset of rappers cosigning antyhing that is hot theory

like you can go out to a random club in any county town and they will regularly drop 'gravel pit' or something

go england! :) :) :)

i think bands like fucking champs and oxxes are regarded as pop stars in chicago too

hahahahaha oh no u didn't....whiney will u just make me happy and say that powerhouse sound is bigger than gucci mane?

i mean, i can see gucci being huge in chicago. tbf, it is a big "pitchfork town" with drag city and thrill jockey and numero group and everything. i think bands like fucking champs and oxxes are regarded as pop stars in chicago too

hahahahahahahahaha

fyi: oxxxes never even played a joint bigger than big vs in mpls and we eat that shit UP here

i think pelican regularly sells out the Empty Bottle, so Gucci could prolly do the same

his new song with earthless is pretty good tbh

ha yeah <3 that you can go out on a friday night and still expect to hear say dead prez's hiphop or any busta single or dmx or whatever xposts

whiney can you not help but be an asshole?

Oxes were a 'big deal' in Baltimore but in an era when no rock band from Baltimore was genuinely a big deal in any meaningful sense

we're actually having a legit conversation here, save your self-hating deej zings for when it's only you too throwing wet paper towel balls at each other

you two

oxxxes were fucking great live, they ran all over the fucking place cuz they had wireless units on, super fun, love the first (?) album where the cover is them at some business meeting

Now I’m rich as a republican
stay flyer than pelican
I’m ridin’ in my new yellow Benz
with yellow rims and yellow tint

http://soundcloud.com/hoodinternet/the-hood-internet-pillz-between-the-wallz-gucci-mane-x-pelican/comments

this tangent is almost as boring as when sam and lex started about what rappers are popular in the uk

Oxes were a 'big deal' in Baltimore but in an era when no rock band from Baltimore was genuinely a big deal in any meaningful sense

― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

weird, i guess from afar i figure lungfish was big

wasn't clutch from bodymore murderland?

was the whole oxes album art thing a huge gossipy thing in baltimore at its time?

Clutch are kind of from a wierd rural Maryland no man's land, wouldn't make sense for any major city to claim them it feels like

j0rdan, deej totally picked a fight w/ whiney and pretty much invited him to come on this thread and crack jokes, i don't blame whiney at all for taking the bait for once

i don't feel like it was any more gossipy here than just on the net in general, but i don't really know many people around the rock scene at that time.

"for once"???

y'all wanna figure out who is popular, see who fucking makes it out of yr third world country

i think you mean, "for once, this week"

haha yeah let's get some UK/US sniping on this just to make it all complete

fyi, j0rdan, if you go back to when i said i would stop the whiney/deej gucci beef, I had kept that promise. deej is the one who did the "warriors come out and play" bit with me, so you can blame him, ya asshole

i always blame deej!

was just talking abt my personal experience of ppl liking or not liking american rappers! sorry for living in the uk ffs! back the gucci-pitchfork saga then

anything to stop the fucking whiney deej handbags. i once ate a pizza with sweetcorn on guyz!

tpp the gravel pit thing warmed my heart thanking u! :)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/2hzr39l.gif

i mean, i can see gucci being huge in chicago. tbf, it is a big "pitchfork town" with drag city and thrill jockey and numero group and everything. i think bands like fucking champs and oxxes are regarded as pop stars in chicago too

― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:33 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbf pretty sure this is the first time whiney g has made gucci=hipster lol remarks where it was actually trolling & not on a serious "the only ppl who like gucci are hipsters!!!" disconnected bs

j0rdan, deej totally picked a fight w/ whiney and pretty much invited him to come on this thread and crack jokes, i don't blame whiney at all for taking the bait for once

― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i picked on his lame 'review' i didnt say anything about 'hipsters'

neither did he except obliquely as a joke

"for once"???

― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think you mean, "for once, this week"

― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes he always takes the bait, i meant that for once i'm not mad at dude for it because deej was dickish with the way he brought it up

rtc i need to get on rss feed you get your amazing gifs from

get on whatever rss feed

so tom b. wrote a pfork review of the mixtape -- in the scale of pfork rap scores it got a pretty great rating, but i wonder why tom always insists on making a point of what he perceives to be gucci's "stupidity", or at least the "stupidity" of his punchlines -- i'm not accusing him of being an actual racist or a region racist, as tom's writing on southern rap speaks for itself, but his gucci reviews almost function as the snake eating its own tail (maybe two steps forward and one step back would be a better analogy!) -- obv he has to write these reviews knowing that there's still a segment of people (rap fans and normal pfork readers alike) that think that gucci (and any southern rapper in his ilk) is a joke, and of course tom mentions this in his review, and yet he still seems to hedge his bets by flogging this worthless "stupidly awesome..... OR IS IT AWESOMELY STUPID?" bit and quoting lines from the tape that are gucci at his most crass -- the cassanova/bend ya ova and twitpic/dick lines work in the context of the album as gucci goofing around and puffing his chest out, but in the context of a pitchfork review it represents that sort of "one step back", where he sets a tone in the review of, and explicitly says, "gucci is a seriously great rapper! everyone should take him seriously!" but takes out of context quotes that reinforces the exact stereotype that he is trying to dismantle the review -- i don't see why, for instance, he quotes lines illustrating gucci's "non-illmatic levels of insight" (this almost reads as a concession to the current patrin/wale era of pfork rap coverage) but doesn't quote the myriad lines where gucci displays the ability to "jam as many syllables as possible into a quick-rewind clump" or whatever

trying to dismantle IN the review

just want to say thx for all the transcriptions upthread jordan. they ~enhanced~ my experience of listening to this tremendously.

no problem! tbh i don't transcribe the gucci lyrics to show off his lyrical prowess (not completely at least), i do it because it really does enhance my listening experiences tremendously as well

if i had the desire/time to sit and read rap lyrics while i listened to albums (as opposed to, like, posting to ilx or playing video games) i think my opinions would solidify much more quickly and i'd be more confident in them