Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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"free jazz snob" = junkie?

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The beginning of this thread is amazing, by the way. We've got a very unenthusiastic original post, then replies of dud, probably dud, so very in between, never be classic but certainly isn't dud, I like them, best rock band ever, worse than Yo La Tengo/noisy and tuneless, classic, and then the thread died.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

in other words....ehh, very wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, right, extremely right, nonsense/moronic, OTM, time for revival

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

it's weird, because almost everyone i know (either in real life or on this board) LOVES teh trux. the haters must obviously be in a totally different social sphere.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I spend a great deal of time IRL trying to convince people of the Trux's greatness, and some of my attempts are successful.

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Stupid people don't like them, ugly people too

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Accelerator" remains tight as tight in a way I'd expect a fellow Beatles obsessive to mofucking get, frankly

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

You're referring to me, I guess. I only heard it once and was just not so into the Trux direction at the time. They had already done Thank You - do you really think it's tight on that level?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

WAY WAY WAY tighter. A thousand times superior. I don't get the Thank You love so much tho, it's OK, a vvv good Lp, but Accelerator's the one. It's like UM Revolver, Thank You's like Rubber Soul.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

accelerator = \m/

― latebloomer: snakes, snails, and puppydog tails (latebloomer), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I just realised, "Accelerator" and "Revolver" are maybe my two fav recs ever. MEANWHILE I believe some types try to say rtx aren't rock. We sit asstumed.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know - I only heard it once. I remember that stupid "Banana Question" thing and remember thinking WTF - Trux on autopilot reverting to doing "Strawberry Soda" after all this time. Royal Trux were an INSPIRED GROUP, man. For a while, anyway. In the beginning, it wasn't just some "keepin' on keepin' on" with your indie rock career on Drag City Records trip.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the secondbest song on it! LISTEN, BROTHER, etc. Really.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Three dollar bin or less and I'm there, man. Just for you.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://cgi.ebay.com/Royal-Trux-Accelerator-RTX-Promo-CD-Domino_W0QQitemZ4764962075QQcategoryZ43652QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

oh that's brit prices though. hmm

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got most of the Royal Trux albums (though I don't know where the self-titled one disappeared to), and while I haven't listened to them lately, it's definitely a special body of work. At some point (perhaps near future cuz of this thread) I'll immerse myself in all of them again. Hard to say they're classic. Alongside JSBX, Shellac, Grifters, Red Red Meat, Mule, Big Chief, Afghan Whigs, Jesus Lizard, Polvo, etc., their live shows are part of my fond memories of shows being a big EVENT amongst friends in our early 20s. Every couple years I listen to their albums when I get in a phase. Classic to me and some people here, but not in the sense of a larger cultural zeitgeist.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

That list is like evidence of why they're so good, actually. If you can't hear what takes them far and high above those jobsworth workaday civilians, sure. Oh Tim "Accelerator" is by no means as tight bandwise as "Thank You", its tightness is conceptual, it comes out in the arrangements and so on. The finished version. It's a postproduction record, lent my fingers to Beatles suggestions.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Can you describe what you think is great about the arrangements and post-production?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

My sister asked me to make her a "workout" mix CD on the weekend.
Tracklisting:
1. Waterpark
2. The Exception
3. I'm Ready
4. Juicy Juicy Juice
5. The Banana Question
6. Another Year
7. Platinum Tips
8. Sunshine & Grease
9. Fire Hill
10. The United States Vs. One 1974 Cadillac el Dorado Sedan
11. Joint Chief
12. Low Ass Mountain Song
13. Stoked
14. Heavy Gator
15. What Man, Who Are You?
16. Pair Back Up Mass With
17. Chicago Charlemagne
18. Ray-O-Vac
19. Dr. Gone
20. Stop

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll say it again: this was a band where every move they made was interesting for a long time. Then, they just seemed to go flat. Sweet Sixteen was not an improvement on Thank You. The songs were less well-written and the thing was just sloppy all around. I don't know what the fuck Accelerator was supposed to be. Then, with Veterans of Disorder (what a fucking stupid title!) and Pound for Pound it was like Thank You again, but not as good. Big fucking deal!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

wrong

― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

When is the new Howling Hex out?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometime in November.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh hey it's this thread - here's another work out mix for your sister.

A Night To Remember
Morphic Resident
Platinum Tips
Firebase Ripcord
Small Theif
Second Skin
Law Man
Liar
Chicago Charlemagne
Shockwave Rider
Ray O Vac
Deep Country Sorcerer
Texas Dogleg
(Have You Met) Horror James
Some People Are Crazy
Back to School
Signed, Confused
The Flag
Map Of The City
Yo Se

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

"I don't know what the fuck Accelerator was supposed to be."

the most kick ass rock record ever. the 80s entry in the production trilogy. i have no idea how someone could not love this record. don't be a liar

― resuscitated hanged man, Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy Shit. I can't believe it took me until this week, and buying "Pound for Pound" in the used bin for $5, to realize I had slept on such an amazing band for so long. Moremoremore.

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

That remark makes me realize why people say Tim is crazy!

― Lion-O (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"the 80s entry in the production trilogy" - roffl.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

crazy!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

WE'RE NOT CRAZY!

http://www.toliveandshaveinla.com/flemmas/vonbg.jpg

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway ... guys ... I'm not saying those records are bad. Even Sweet Sixteen! (Actually, I think that second NMH solo album is something that you might call a genuinely bad album, even if there are a couple of good songs.) But the later Royal Trux records did just strike me as being more of the same and I lost interest in them.

And I didn't expect that from them and wondered why it happened. Every time they put out a record for a long time, it was something new.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, they were my favorite band! There was a visionary quality to them for a while.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

what's wrong with the title of veterans of disorder?!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I suppose if they had been DOING SOMETHING and not just treading water, it wouldn't have seemed as pathetic. I mean, what, I'm supposed to give them their propers because they're VETERANS???

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, what, I'm supposed to give them their propers because they're VETERANS???

yes, just like the beatles.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

dunno what that's supposed to mean

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

just a bit of fun, let's be cool.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

preferred order:

Veterans of Disorder
Sweet Sixteen
Twin Infinitives
Singles Live Unreleased
Thank You
Accelerator
Pound For Pound
Cats and Dogs
Royal Trux (1992)
Hand of Glory
Royal Trux (1988)

and I really like RTX 1988!

― gear (gear), Saturday, 15 October 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Neil Michael Hagerty Band live from May 30th, 2001:
http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=01KJ7NBVYPPXC08U0W05K9HFCH

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

hey Tim do you like RTX/Hagerty solo?

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I kinda liked the first album, but thought the second one (that NMH Plays That Good Ol' Rock 'n' Roll (!!!) one) was not so good. I haven't followed him since. I have some curiousity about what he's been doing.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I like that 1st song on the 1st solo album - the one that has that silly "Rock the Boat" allusion.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

The third album is astoundingly good, especially the first half.

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Did they ever really work with post-Kenickie scamps Chicks, or was that just a vicious rumour?

― carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

You'd probably dig All Night Fox.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Did they ever really work with post-Kenickie scamps Chicks, or was that just a vicious rumour?
Neil and Jennifer supposedly produced a "major label pop record", but I've never been able to figure out what record, or if it's even true.

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

it's true

http://www.rtxarchive.com/archive/articles/wire199.html

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"We had this Grateful Dead CD case," he says, "and it has the Steal Your Face skull flash logo on it. One of The Chick's said, "What is that, Pepsi?'. We said, 'No it's The Grateful Dead!' She's like, 'Who?'."

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

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