Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

hmm, sky now suggesting they did rush him and it wasnt after the shot.

Pash, she's all idiot all by herself.

Oh well, living in a dry drain for a week, that's different, no wonder he'd rather be shot than get rained on.

xpost mindmeld :-)

I love how ailsa wants to go to sleep but just cant drag herself away!

I already explained why. But I'm glad it's keeping you entertained.

And now I really am going to bed, because I have stuff do in the morning. Have fun with your speculation!

you will be back!

can't believe the police would try and jump the bloke if he was still armed, no matter how shit the weather is or how dark it was or how tired he was. something else has happened here.

yeah it doesnt make any sense, plus that guy said he saw it from his bedroom window and the shot was fired then they rushed them. So sky reporter probably hasn't heard that and is just talking shite.

rushed him

my guess fwiw
moat has gotten increasingly close to showing that he was going to shoot himself, so police sneak up behind in dark to get as close as possible. moat has noticed sneaking police, he's either fired at them or in panic mode has made a hash of killing himself (more likely). cops jump him.

or the hashed suicide ran almost parallel with the cops trying to stop him, aka jumping him.

stop talking about the weather! it's making me think they're all more deliriously tired than i am.

too many scenarios, so who knows.

the eyewitness guy def said they only rushed him after the shot was fired.

Sky reporter james matthews still going with the police rushed him line. Maybe he's been told off the record?

k I'm done for the night, time to pray that Gazza was somehow involved (reverse causality huzzah).

i'd say that he's tried to shoot his own neck out and missed half of it, but how the fuck could he miss a neck that fucking big!

god i'm tired

police apparently say he shot himself. Nothing about when the police rushed in.

i think a statement might come soon

I think he's shot himself and then they rushed over. Makes the most sense. The police could have waited and waited with no threat to the public or themselves.

I'm in the US, don't have a telly and usually keep up with the news online but have been insanely busy the last few days. So I'm basically coming to this now with all the Gazza stuff and it's really, really surreal!

yeah seems the most likely conclusion. xp

the gazza stuff added a WTF element that no disgruntled shooting story has ever seen the likes of before.

I was honestly convinced for a short time that my UK friends had found a way to thoroughly mess with my head and I couldn't work out how so many people on Twitter etc were in on the joke.

it really was a pure WTF moment that could never be repeated again. Noone could have thought he would show up (not even his agent)

i can see why people thought it was a joke

going to bed now, been unreal.

skys sources saying moat is dead.

dead on arrival apparently.

where's EJ Thribb when you need him eh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHnWpLQtyo

"He's killed someone, which is not nice really"

Sky reporter james matthews still going with the police rushed him line. Maybe he's been told off the record?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname),

oh come on it's murdoch news, they prob just made it up!

^ this. Find it hard to believe anything I hear on Sky News, would be interested as to why pfunkboy thinks it's the best news channel. FWIW, I'm no huge fan of 24 hour round the clock waiting-for-something-to-happen blethering shite news*, but if something's happening, I'd rather watch the Beeb.

(*last night was pretty much confirmation of this, btw)

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01676/police-rothbury_1676451c.jpg

( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7882762/Raoul-Moat-Gazza-arrives-in-Rothbury-to-offer-his-support.html )

Oh, it's everywhere, that pic. (n° 3 here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/10583023.stm )

So gazza doesn't really know him right?

Moat looks like any steroid pumped bouncer you'd see down the Bigg Market, Gazza just can't tell them apart.

Gascoigne's agent, Kenny Shepherd, said: "He's doing what? I am sitting having an evening meal in Majorca. I'm speechless."

gazza calls him "moaty" so he must know him

He wasn't lying about being speechless, he even forgot the word "dinner"

omfg that gazza thing actually happened

He wasn't lying about being speechless, he even forgot the word "dinner"

Middle class dude trying to play it down for his working class clients tiptoes thru the "dinner"/"tea" minefield.

Calling it a meal is lower middle class, which is x10000 times worse than being middle or working class.

Maybe he did say dinner or supper and the paper helpfully translated it for us simple kibble/gruel/trough folk.

A friend of mine has an Estuary accent and when she says 'meal' it comes out 'meaw'. AAAAGGH.

...

Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim told a news conference: "Right up until that time police officers were striving to persude Mr Moat to give himself up peacefully.

"During this time, officers discharged a taser, however this did not prevent his death."

She would not take questions after the media briefing, but from the wording of her statement it can only be assumed Moat was hit with the tasers before he shot himself.

When the incident happened, Sky News cameras filming with night vision technology picked up frantic shouting from the scene.

Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said when you listen to the recording, you can hear a crying sound moments before the fatal shot rings out.

He said tasers give a fleeting feeling of intense pain, and usually elicit an involuntary wail from the victim, and this may be the sound of Moat being hit.

Firearms experts said it is possible that the high voltage shock may have caused him to flinch and pull the trigger as he held the shotgun to his neck in the pouring rain.

Up until now, police would only say "no gunshots" were fired by officer. The matter will be investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

Around half an hour later, ambulance staff were allowed onto the scene.

He was seen being wheeled on a trolley into Newcastle General Hospital with a sheet covering his head. Moat was confirmed dead at 2.20am.

When the incident happened, Sky News cameras filming with night vision technology picked up frantic shouting from the scene.

great use of night vision

have sky news just been running this story all day? everytime i switch on i see first the night vision pic, then that tazer holding sausage faced copper photo.

Not seen sky all day, so no idea.

as a direct result of all of this, i have now read a full page of what barbara ellen thinks about various topics. another reason to harbour ill feelings towards the recently-departed mr moat