yeah otm
they are kinda ugly, but you don't need more than a sentence to express that thought
― iatee, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the most frivolous editorials i have ever read
yeah ok they're ugly but at least ~theyre there~
make em look nice later imo
― be told and get high on coconut (gbx), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it's just silly because a bunch of bike racks on a street with a lot of bike traffic is something that most everyone would agree is a great thing - except this guy who complains they are ugly.
― sarahel, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
guessing he is like the only person in the city who cares about this issue in the way that he has framed it ("racks ok but just not ugly ones ewww!")
it's such a bizarre middle ground
― be told and get high on coconut (gbx), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually think they are attractive
― sarahel, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe if the city was awash in cash it would make sense to criticize the lack of aesthetic value of something so practical.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I really don't have a problem with them and I don't always agree w/King but I kind of like that they have a regular columnist who deals in urbanism and architecture.
― Grand amiral de la marine des licornes (Michael White), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
As a cyclist, I have yet to use them, primarily as there's nothing wrong with using the 1000s of parking meters and street sign poles that litter the streets that King never once addresses in his corniness.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Micro-hoods. Mint slope. Hmph
http://thebolditalic.com/events/1402-meet-a-microhood-mint-slope
― jaxon, Thursday, 29 July 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Kyle, is that your comment about al's?
― jaxon, Thursday, 29 July 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
that is some other kyle m, we are legion
― akm, Thursday, 29 July 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
re: bike racks, i'm all for them, and also would like to say that the new bus shelters are fucking ugly and this guy's aesthetic sense sucks.
― the nyu glory hole crew (the table is the table), Thursday, 29 July 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god an awful person i am familiar with was apparently involved in this "micro-hoods" business. it's the kind of shit that makes me sorta never want to live in SF even though i actually want to
― pies. (gbx), Thursday, 29 July 2010 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
mint slope = nu-lower market?
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Really, gbx? It's just marketing for local retail and it's kind of cool (having lived near there) that they're trying to forge a local identity though it should really extend from the Mint all the way to at least Valencia and they should have made some effort to reach out to the LGBT center - maybe they will when their restaurant space opens eventually.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
but there really isn't retail in that area outside of market st, no?
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Not really, no, but it's a somewhat neglected stretch of Market that is nonetheless far less skeezy than Market past Van Ness.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
There is a sort of Gourmet Corridor tucked about a block away with Zuni, Cav and Hotel Biron clustered together there.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
the area just needs to be built up - which I think they're doing? - I remember reading something about them replacing that abandoned gas station? I don't see it ever turning into a 'neighborhood' unless they decide to pull back the freeway even further.
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't see it ever turning into a 'neighborhood' unless they decide to pull back the freeway even further.
Which they won't since it just went in. It's further cut up (as a comfortably walkable neighborhood) by the Valencia to Franklin, North?South corridor.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I meant more like...I dunno, 20 years from now
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Market Street is even more of an obstacle then Octavia imo but anyways, this is a make-believe neighborhood at best.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
market street seems easier to reform though, no?
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm, I think the problem really is Valencia/Franklin and the Octavia offramp. Even before it was a gay haven, the Castro thrived on Market but also on Castro and on 18th but it has residential areas all around it whereas further down the pedestrian access (the lifeblood of a high street 'hood) is harder and more distracted. On the north side of "Mint Slope" you might tend toward Hayes and on the South side, you'd tend a little toward the Mission.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Also the hill up to Dolores doesn't help, either.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Michael, I've missed your erudition on the food fight threads.
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it's pretty sad cause - unlike much of the city - it's already well set-up when it comes to transit. it just also happens to be a mini-freeway.
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
WmC, it's kind of like ILM, I can't really be bothered. Gustibus disputandum non est and all. I like cooking and I like dining but I get bored talking about food unless it's in actual preparation for shopping or making it.
I've voted, though.
x-post
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Also the hill up to Dolores doesn't help, either.― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:07 AM (5 minutes ago)
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:07 AM (5 minutes ago)
you mean down to Dolores? or up to Duboce?
When did The Mint last print money and what is it used for now? It takes up a huge chunk of real estate and I believe it still has "Federal Level" security 24/7.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
they're turning it into a museum
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
You know what's funny is that I look philtwo out on the town we met at Zuni, walked up Market see Jaxon spin at Cafe Flore, then had coffee with Mrs. Alex in SF across the street. philtwo (a New Yorker) thought that corridor was interminable.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
iatee, it's not really THAT sad. The Mint (bar) does well as does Martuni's and the Orbit Room. Destino was pretty good when I went a few years ago. It's Tops, the theater/movie memorabilia store, and the travel store are all cool. Further down, Delessio and Trieste. Flax is amazing - one of the best art supplies places around. CAV and Zuni are fantastic and so, I guess is Hotel Biron. The little antique district around there is kind of cool and Brady Street has that great little decor place, Bell'ochio. Espetus is good, if you need to channel your inner caveman and it's been ages by Bistro Clovis used to be okay.
The hood is what it is but it's cut up more so than the Castro is by cross arteries, has a hill to deter the wusses, and is too wide to feel intimate like a real neighborhood.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Re: Dolores, I mean walking west on Market. It crests just before Safe way, iIrc.
I think the downtown Mint is turning into a museum (finally). I think the Mint is more a depository than an actual Mint but I don't know.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it's not the biggest tragedy in the world...I just think it would be nice to have market street built up + pedestrian friendly from downtown to the castro
― iatee, Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
MW -- fair 'nuff. Thanks for voting!
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4833097573/
― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
That's kind of mesmerizing, Shakey.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
totally feelin it tbqh
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm going to Boris from Uva's new place, Citizen's Band, tonight.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
If you like to eat at new places and are interested in what Steve Shasta thinks is the one of the top 3 restaurants in the Bay Area, you should definitely try to get a reservation for Benu before it books up 90 days out (which honestly probably won't take long). I did a soft-opening menu tasting and a proper 4-seating 3 hour affair and I'd say this is up there with Ron Siegel and Thomas Keller's best. It's a *little* bit pricy but is an ideal special occasion place.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I would like to dispute It's Tops being cool.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 July 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I am always curious about what Steve Shasta thinks are good eats.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 July 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
many xposts but MW the reason i was hatin has basically 95% to do with disliking a specific person
― pies. (gbx), Thursday, 29 July 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i call this wasteland "north of metreon" or NOME
― akm, Thursday, 29 July 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
actually I don't
m.white. Citizen's Band is a block from my place. my wife worked briefly at Pinkie's Bakery (connected next door), but it didn't work out due to schedule conflicts. i'm stoked that area is getting more stuff. another 'micro-hood' - folsoma
― jaxon, Thursday, 29 July 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
we went to that underground market last week, and then tried to have drinks at citizen's band, but it was fuckin BONKERS inside
― 69, Thursday, 29 July 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Boris invited us to the opening but I had other plans and I've heard it's small and swamped.
Steve, where is Benu?
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Thursday, 29 July 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Where Two used to be, kinda near Moscone. Same block as culinary juggernauts Chevy's and Thirsty Bear.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 29 July 2010 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Citizen's band was good. Pinkie's bread was amazing - they made a levain that tasted kind of like Poulain.
― Un peu d'Eire, ça fait toujours Dublin (Michael White), Friday, 30 July 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link