Winamp Sucks

GUI knobs are annoying... so I always set mine to max and use another control (or get another skin if I cared)! It's not THAT hard.

I never said it's perfect! it's just that iTunes is *terrible*

I want to find, like my folder for "# Mixes" which, if not tagged as such in iTunes is -fuck all- use searching for a ID3 tag.

Drag a playlist dir/m3u to the playlist list in itunes, drop. You now have a Playlist named whatever. Of course, if you use Winamp, a single file can't be in IAMAHUGEIDIOT and in IAMAMORON. Unless you use m3u files. Which you have to save.

wtf?? Which playlist is this? ... the playlist of the physical files/folder from explorer/finder dropped into iTunes (does it update automatically?) or the playlist of the stuff I found in a search which didn't show up properly that I couldn't find??

None of this sounds quick to me!

actually, I don't even NEED to do this usually. I have a smart view set up in Winamp that filters everything in this /# mixes folder so I don't need to type it much, if ever. LAST time I checked iTunes didn't allow filters/searches relating to the -OH NOES!- actual hard disk directory, but this might have changed. Probably not though because it's bad because Apple thinks I am stupid for ever needing this feature or something? Ooookay.

I don't know who these people are who are constantly saving .m3u .whatever playlists outside of iTunes/Winamp Library. You're making out like this is something essential people need to do to use Winamp! Tag/name your files properly instead or something, it works just as well as -

list.m3u
1) bulshit file.m4a
2) filefromkazzaa.mp3
3) 1-brittanyspears-lucky.mp3

Don't blame Winamp for dumb users or I'll just point you to all the "where did my music go I lost it all when iTunes updated boo hoo" threads in response.

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does it update automatically?

NO I AM TALKING ABOUT HOW BRAIN DEAD IDIOTS LIKE YOU CAN IMPORT THEIR STUPID FILESYSTEM STRUCTURES TO ITUNES!

LAST time I checked iTunes didn't allow filters/searches relating to the -OH NOES!- actual hard disk directory

WHY WASTE TIME ORGANIZING THAT STUFF? ITUNES META INFO BUILDS THE TREE FOR YOU = ONLY ONE PLACE TO MANAGE THAT

I don't need any of it though :/
iTunes doesn't even get the "playing" bit right enough for me, never mind trusting it with additional functions that other programs handle, like ripping (Exact Audio Copy/LAME) & tagging (plenty of windows programs, NOTHING even acceptable on Macs esp. not iTunes).

The thing that bugs me about iTunes is it has been fucking up zero second track crossfades for several versions.

-- R.I.P. Concrete Octop

Fucks sake.

Yeah I wasted so much time that one time I did it and now never have to type that search again! I thought you people liked smart searches??!

Fucks sake.

I keep files I have tagged and files I haven't apart.
I keep files which are part of a structure (album, e.p.) and files which are not (single mp3's, mixes etc) APART.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??

They don't get mixed up in one big mess, and also additionally if I want to, I can add BOTH to the database, still not mixing them up but having access to each as I wish. BEST OF BOTH WORLDS!

iTunes didn't let me do this last time I checked. so fuck iTunes and it's "there is only one way and that is the new way" bullshit.

"TURN THAT OPTION OFF THEN
WHAT IF I WANT IT ON NORMALLY?"
well if you want it BOTH ways, you can hold down apple key to temporarily over-ride that setting :-)

-- Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (AlanTrewarth...) (webmail), March 21st, 2006 12:23 PM. (Alan) (later) (link)

while dragging in the mp3 i mean obv
-- Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (AlanTrewarth...) (webmail), March 21st, 2006 12:23 PM. (Alan) (later) (link)

NEVER HAVE TO.... UNTIL YOU MOVE STUFF IN YOUR PRECIOUS FILESYTEM

WHAT IS IN YOUR "#MIXES" DIRECTORY

iTunes would be a LOT more pleasing to me (and even convince me to maybe give up using a well-organised , uncomplicated dir structure as non-program backup organisation) if the inbuilt ID3 tagging functions weren't woefully inadequate & inconsistent & requiring of constant micromanagement, compared with many dedicated Windows ID3 programs.

I never said iTunes is difficult to use. Just that it doesn't do some things Winamp does. And the things it lacks tend to unfortunately be things that make my life easier & happier.

here's one i prepared earlier
http://www.lolrider.com/lol/shoutcast.jpg

turned it off. and...
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http://www.lolrider.com/lol/visualisation.JPG

also, i've never ever had any problems running any version of winamp on any pc, even really super shitty ones.

The iPod support is simple & sturdy enough, but has a majorly annoying "feature" that if you leave the album tag* blank, when transferred across to your iPod, it guesses(?) and steals the track title info.

This is getting in the way of trying to separate albums & non-album material. Grrr.

The non-album stuff is in a playlist, it _shouldn't_ be showing up elsewhere.

iTunes really isn't flexible enough for me, but I do understand why more people use it.

Going to muddle through & maybe uninstall the iPod support & reinstall the old plugin (worked fine, but was annoying to configure) :/

*note: none of these files are in the Media Library, so it shouldn't be that that's causing problems unless there's some intermingling going on.

Either way... fixed, but Winamp's in-built iPod (and other devices) support is nowhere near good enough (fully featured) or usable (see crap like above) as the iPod (only) plug-in.

:(

Since I upgraded my version of Winamp recently, I've noticed that I am getting a glitch pretty frequently when I load web pages! This has never happened before that I can recall. Should I be using something else at this point? Has Windows Media Player gotten any better? I may try it regardless, as I am sick of what Winamp is doing.

yep, same here. i thought it was soemthing to do with my outboard soundcard and not necessarily the new winamp as when i use my internal soundcard there are no problems, but now you mention it.

windows media player is still horrific, i'm sure
i am down w/musikCube.
foobar2000 is probably the best out there but you have to set up a lot of stuff (like the layout) yourself, which can be a drag

I've been using VLC for about a year now, after a solid 10-13 years of winamp use. The kicker was that whenever I recorded something in Ableton and played it in Winamp it would make it really loud and apply nasty compression to it. VLC doesn't.

I am a Mac ricer now.

Winamp has been sturdy for me. I usually pirate a copy of pro for burning cds - I find one on soulseek. Then I download i-pod support from some 3rd party. But I can't say I've had webpage or audio problems. Winamp's organizing system/playlist making is tops and i-pod and cd-burning is easy to use.

i used to use winamp, but foobar2000 is definitely the way to go. i don't use music player library systems, though, so ymmv. i prefer to just browse my files in folders on my hard drive.

yeah same here. the cool thing about foobar2000 (and to an extent musikCube) is you can play around w/it to best suit your listening/organizational habits.

Went Mac too, but before that I was really into MediaMonkey.

does anyone use songbird? i installed it (on my mac) but found it not that big an improvement over itunes; it plays flacs though if you are into that.

Hey fellow Winamp guys, is the problem you're having that you get a popup error message that's obviously caused by Winamp but attributed to your browser?

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1932236&start=0&tstart=0

sort of, but not really.

http://lifehacker.com/5356619/itunes-finally-adds-watched-folder-to-automatically-add-new-music

works if you let iTunes manage... etc

I'm thinking my problem had less to do with Winamp than with Firefox. I went back to Windows Media player (after being confused about how to make a connection between MusikCube and my mp3s and not feeling like having to figure it out) but I am still getting frequent pauses/glitches in the sound when I load certain pages while listening to music. But I just switched to Opera and it doesn't seem to be happening now. Also, Opera seems really great in general. I like how quickly things are loading. I definitely see a difference. (I will probably re-load Winamp and see if the problem returns when I use it with Opera.)

I use Opera, but I get the popup error message I mentioned above. I should just learn my lesson and never update winamp, 4 out of 5 times it just causes problems.

technical question

I right click on a folder to play it in winamp. It contains subfolders as well as files. Let's say it has these:

Folder A containing files a1, a2
Folder B containing files b1, b2
Folder C containing files c1, c2
file d1
file d2

(with the x1's being alphabetically ordered before the x2's)

Winamp plays or enqueues them in this order:
c1, c2, b1, b2, d1, d2, a1, a2

putting the folders in reverse order, and inserting the un-foldered files before the first folder (which is played last).

I would like to play them in this order: a1, a2, b1, b2, c1, c2, d1, d2.

How do I change this?

Click the 'Misc' button at the bottom of the playlist editor, go to sort and select 'Sort by path and filename'.

I think this is what you're after.

What OS and Winamp version are you on? They get enqueued in alphabetical order for me (though with files and folders interspersed, so a file beginning with T appears between folder S and folder U) on Windows 7 and v5.572 of Winamp.

I remember having a similar problem on XP if I selected all the contents of a folder and dragged them into Winamp, but that was Windows' fault not Winamp's. Not sure if this is the same problem though, seems like it shouldn't be the same problem if you're right-clicking the containing folder instead of selecting and dragging the contents.

I'm on XP, and I can confirm that Windows will do screw-y things with filename order. I use Winamp 5.56 and enqueuing a folder by right-clicking on it always results in odd results. But when I drag the folder to the Playlist Editor window, it always stacks the files alphabetically.

^ Yes, but you have to drag the whole folder and not the contents, because if you select the contents then whichever file you select last is "highlighted" in Explorer, which will put it first in the list it sends to the target app (then the other files may appear in reverse order too)

iirc

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ironically, at some point during me posting to this thread, Songbird went a bit nuts and placed a Teenage Panzerkorps mp3 in the middle of a Low album in its playlist. which was slightly jarring

xp yeah, drag folder, not contents. I'm massively anal about organising my music into folders anyway.

it really whips the llama's ass

The main advantage of winamp is the ease of finding things in your library quickly, the library sorting and small text interface. The program is almost entirely designed for people who don't like to label/sort their music all the time. But I have never been in a situation where I've wanted to load an entire folder with subfolders and miscellaneous files through My Computer.

However, since my last harddrive erase (and loss of tons of music) I have just stuck with WMP even though I'm not a big fan.