ayn rand was serious, at least--vice seems to be good at not revealing which aspects of its worldview are supposed to be taken seriously (and how seriously), which keeps them a step ahead of their audience in the most calculated and tiresome way.
not that i'm defending rand, who was a shit and whose philosophy is useless save for some catchy rush lyrics.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 08:49 (twenty years ago) link
I find rather troubling the notion that any sort of public narrative (a film, a magazine, a song) has to 'reveal which aspects of its worldview are supposed to be taken seriously (and how seriously)'. Do readers really have to be spoonfed with some syrupy music to know when to cry? Do you have to add a laugh track to tell people that it's okay to laugh? It seems to me that Vice is a nice implementation of ye olde Unreliable Narrator, a device I like a lot because it encourages people to be distanced, critical and, y'know, work out how they feel they should feel, think they should think, take seriously what they want to take seriously, etc.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
have fun, now!!
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
(i googled for a pic of her in her excellent dollar-$ign$ cape but couldn't find one)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link
Does this mean you've finished your book?
Preparing to answer this question I watched a streaming video Introduction to Objectivism which was quite useful. I can find some common ground with Objectivism (for instance, the anti-metaphysical, atheistic stuff, the Aristotelian side) but find parts of it absurd (the stuff about things existing objectively, the anti-statism, the reactionary aesthetics).
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
vice is FREE and looks good next to my TOILET.
The current issue, on the theme of JOBS, is appropriate, then. You will no doubt enjoy reading about The Shit Disturber whose job is to clean old ladies' asses while sitting on the loo.
I find it really pretty pathetic that people are still hating on Vice, and still starting threads about how it incarnates some sort of toxic and venial 'small difference too far'. I can only assume it's because most ILXors are 'semi-hipsters' and hate to be reminded of the fact.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link
that's really kind of summed it up... READ THIS IT'S REALLY SHOCKING!!!
THAT'S what i find pathetic about vice. it's the print version of those loud, obnoxious, namedroppy "tastemakers" any sensible person either tries to avoid in social situations or actively seeks out in order to start fights, depending on their mood.
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link
x-post
― webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.i-dmagazine.com/i_collect/i_collect.php?id=242
Vomit!
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― thighster, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link
soooooooooooo fucking obvious.
yet you read both of them anyway.
― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link
case-in-point
http://www.viceland.com/issues/v11n3/htdocs/i_love.php
is vice the new nme? i can't believe momus is still going on about vice. that's not very cutting edge.
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link
eg It's so 1982 > it's so 1798 > it's so 1813 etc
(also years to come shd be included)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago) link
x-post. ha ha.
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link
it is embarrassing to be seen reading vice because of that!
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link
I have never read vice magazine, in fact, up here in teh n0rth3rn w4st3, I have never even seen a copy! The amount of heat these discussions generate just seems kind of weird.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
heat is cooler than vice!
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link
BTW, they haven't sent me any coke yet.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link
vice is more vicious than morality!!
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link
But it reads like the National Lampoon ca. 1979!
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
(x-post, really people, "heat" is teh sukc)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link
i mean, john is right -- national lampoon and mad were 'cutting edge' and they faded. vice has faded! i would rather read my national enquirer photo coffeebook than be seen with vice!
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― duke rand, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
Rand is Comic Book Nietzsche.
― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link
― duke scene, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link
― J (Jay), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
I used to read 2600 - -- - - SHOCKA!
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link
Remember Nynex?
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
(x-post)
― J (Jay), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:01 (twenty years ago) link
God, I can't believe I was into 2600 so long ago.... ~1994-1998 I read it I think.
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link
OMG
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
Jay, I'm afraid I'm going to have to puncture that theory. I more or less wrote Issue 10 of Bunnyhop myself, the Fake issue:
The fact is that there is a statistically signficant positive correlation between these zines being good and my being in them. (Certainly in my own mind.) I am also in Suicide Girls magazine, should Vice fail.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:38 (twenty years ago) link
Two of my own early zines.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.nodata.org/honey/sinister/picnics/ATP-Caleb-4.jpg
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link
― J (Jay), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
I also have an original copy of 'The Little Red Songbook,' the one that Momus had to withdraw when Wendy Carlos threatened to sue him. Coincidence?
― J (Jay), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link
― J (Jay), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link
It is awfully sweet that Momus will spend so much time defending his pals. I'd advise him to jump off that sinking ship, though.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link
fuck yeah. fuck the poor
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/ayn-rand-ideal-published-july-27364158
atlas is shrugging again, baby!
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 December 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
This exists. Love the humanization of assholes like this by mainstream media and it's fun to imagine how this sort of blatant stupidity would've landed throughout history: "Nazi Leader: How He Went From Bold Hipster Mustache Choices to Genocide" @adamjohnsonNYC pic.twitter.com/rqge9f84xr— Kyle Inabinette (@KyleInabinette) October 17, 2018
notice how NYT presents "Brooklyn hipster" as something inherently contradictory to racist and rightwing. Did any of these people actually read early VICE? https://t.co/CRuizqZ4Vp— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
a true shock pic.twitter.com/q5Zyy3cCIF— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link