Fillmore Jive, but damn, what a tough choice
― deusner, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
"Elevate Me Later", the closest they ever got to the shimmering of Reckoning (and that's a great thing to aspire to).
― Euler, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link
5-4 peeeple be crazypants
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
"Gold Soundz," cuz you can never quarantine the past.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Unfair
― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
No!
― jergïns, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
It's sorta amazing how much I hate seeing "Silent Kid" listed as "Silence Kit" or similar. I really wish Malkmus never did that.
― Mr. Perpetua, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I'll be fancy and call it by it's real name: Loretta's Scars II
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I voted for "Unfair," but honestly this is kinda impossible for me.
― Mr. Perpetua, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Why harsh on my (or Jordan's or jergïns') pick of "5-4=Unity"? It is a sweet little song, a nice melody and a good break from their lyrics which I've never particularly cared for. Very hummable.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link
42 MINTZ
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 September 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
THE PERFECT TONE YOU ACHIEVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR AMP
I predict Gold Soundz will win this by a country mile
One of those songs you can NEVER really get tired of
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link
This will probably seem a ridiculous statement to many ILMers but CRCR may be the single most important album I heard in terms of what else it led me to hearing. That or Mars Audiac Quintet. I listened to it so much that pretty much every track became perfect to me and I can't possibly choose.
...That said, the Elevate Me Later option is looking pretty tempting.
― a passing spacecadet, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah Either Gold Soundz or Range Life.
― W4LTER, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Range Life! It's true, Pavement were always quite good at country.
― the next grozart, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Unfair!
― Morley Timmons, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link
"Range Life" for me too, although I agree that "Stop Breathin" has a killer ending section.
― Z S, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Let it go brah.
― W4LTER, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link
i like songs that have two names
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
"Range Life" is one of the few Pavement songs with lyrics I can directly relate to.
"Silent Kid" is great, but like a lot of their songs, I have to wonder...wtf is he singing about?
― viborg, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Sweet that right as I'm reading this thread the Hot Chip/Stephen Malkmus remix popped in my headphones. A match made in hell?
― viborg, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know why it annoys me so when people refer to Pavement songs by names other than the one printed on the sleeve. Is it because you know what it was called in its baby stages? Or how it's referred to on the setlists? Jeezus, that's annoying.
Elevate Me Later (Ell Ess Two or Loretta's Scars II or whatever the fuck) gets my vote.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
You went out on tour with Smashing Pumpkins anbd Stone Temple Pilots?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Naw, I just like the part about settling down, that's all. They are foxy to me. Are they foxy to you?
― viborg, Monday, 3 September 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I need to sleep!
― calstars, Monday, 3 September 2007 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Why won't you let me! (srsly why am I still clicking on this thread it's 12 minutes past my bed time)
― ledge, Monday, 3 September 2007 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
"So drunk, in the August sun, and you're the kind of girl I like..."
Top 20 songs ever.
― talrose, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link
out on my skateboard the night is just humming
― The Good Dr. Bill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Paul, the name printed on the sleeve isn't always the final word! I mean, if you bought CRCR on tape, it lists the songs as "Silent Kid" and "Ell Ess Two," which is how the songs were commonly written on setlists, or referred to when Malkmus mentioned them out loud. There's some margin of error, of course, and it's kinda loose and up in the air for a reason. Personally, I just love the sound of "Ell Ess Two," and think "Elevate Me Later" is far weaker title, so I never call it that. "Silent Kid" is just the name of the song though, no matter what weird pun on it got on the sleeve!
― Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I divvn't nah that Elevate Me Later/Ell Ess Two was Loretta's Scars II.
― the next grozart, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, is "Silent Kid" really that cryptic? I mean, it is a bit inscrutable in parts, but in a really basic way it's about the excitement and brotherhood that goes with being in a small-time rock band. It's not all glamorous, though -- as the song ends, they've played a great show, but he's by himself and masturbating a few hours after the gig.
― Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
All I kno about silent kid is that the guitar at the end fuggin' destroys, yo!!!1
― W4LTER, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link
The opening sequence of riffs is probably my favorite intro to any album.
― Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
RIFFY RIFFY RIFFS BUDDY HOLLY
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
i think i have to go with gold soundz over ell ess two
― sleep, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
after quite some deliberation.
― sleep, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link
i love this album
I think it probably is kinda weird that "Newark Wilder" has a LOT more sentimental value for me than "Gold Soundz." Man, I wish my life was more like "Gold Soundz"!
The line I love the most in "Gold Soundz" is "we need secrets," which is one of the lines that most succinctly gets across the aesthetic of the band.
― Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link
dreamin' dream dream dream dream
― The Good Dr. Bill, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Different parts of the CD sleeve/inlay have different names for Silent Kid and Elevate Me Later too, as well as differences on each format. No longer teenage enough to remember which is where.
I quite like(d, once) the idea of calling it "silence kid" because then the first song title forms a nice cryptic circular ending to the last lyrics on the album (where he trails out on "their throats are filled with...").
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 08:08 (sixteen years ago) link
after much deliberation it's 'unfair':
1. the hills of beverly 2. walk with your credit card in the air 3. (best) this is the slow sick sucking part of me
honourable mention to 'stop breathin' for 'dad they broke me' and the long guitar ending.
what a great album. totally gives the lie to the idea of a 'difficult' second album: after S&E's eager to please edginess, CRCR sounded so damned relaxed and easy that I couldn't help but let it take over my listening life. the songs were great live too. loved when they did 5-4 note for note. but 'cut your hair' was worst choice for a first off single.
― whatever, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 09:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I always wondered if, when Matador recieved the master tape, did they KNOW it was gonna be a huge indie classic / rite of passage kinda album? Or was it business as usual?
Man I love this album, it's everything I once loved and eventually grew to hate about this band.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link
but 'cut your hair' was worst choice for a first off single.
Are you serious? It's the most obvious single in the band's entire discography! It actually WAS a hit!
― Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link
"Raynge Lyffe" for me. But ya know, "5-4=Unity" is that outré of a choice. It's easy the most polychromatic thing on the record - Capt. Beefheart's "Sue Egypt" as performed by The Dave Brubeck Quartet. Fitting, then, that James Carter et al. felt compelled to jazz up their songbook.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link
"Elevate Me Later" is a great name for a song. I love how it sounds like one massive raised eyebrow.
― 2for25, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 12:18 (sixteen years ago) link
"5-4=Unity" ISN'T that outré of a choice.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i voted for 'gold soundz' really lush sounding as far as pavement goes fantastic record this one. doesn't really strike a dull chord
― Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 12:00 (4 hours ago) Link
yes i'm serious. we must disagree on what makes a single obvious because i'd have picked any of the other tracks on the album as a single before that one.....
well, maybe not 5-4
― whatever, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
stop breathin.
― ian, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, I don't skip anything on this album, I dig it all
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:32 (two months ago) link
There are some very bad opinions here and I admit some of them are mine
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:40 (two months ago) link
I wouldn't say I *hate* Fillmore Jive, but I've never really vibed with it. Something about the melody irritates me. It just sounds very trite. Coupled with the arch lyrics, makes me understand more than anything why people *don't* like Pavement and find them insincere.
Raft & Coolin' by Sound are two S-tier bangers and should have been on the album. CBS might even be my favorite Scott song in the catalogue.
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 13:53 (two months ago) link
Sorry if I went too hard on “Fillmore Jive”… If I’m expressing a negative opinion, I like to give my reasoning (rather than just say “it sucks”); if only so others have something specific to argue against if they’re telling me I’m full of it(!)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:44 (two months ago) link
I still invite y’all to imagine a world in which the album ends with “all my friends”… we could live in that world… together
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:46 (two months ago) link
that's how it starts...
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:47 (two months ago) link
xxp don't apologize ... i love "Fillmore Jive" but i also agree that "All My Friends" would be an even better album closer.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:22 (two months ago) link
The story behind "All My Friends" being cut was that SM felt the melody was a little too close to Sebadoh's "Vampire" so he ended up just taking a snippet of the outro and releasing it as a b-side to Gold Soundz under the title "Exit Theory (Edit)".
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:50 (two months ago) link
I still invite y’all to imagine a world in which the album ends with “all my friends”… we could live in that world… together― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, March 12, 2024 3:46 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, March 12, 2024 3:46 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I'm good thanks. I might come down later
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:57 (two months ago) link
It's good for the "read it fast before the Sunday mass" line but it does sound like Sebadoh
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 16:58 (two months ago) link
listening to “all my friends” now for the first time in probably 5+ years…I love CRCR the way it is, but I’m team morrisp on this point
― brony james (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:05 (two months ago) link
I forgot this song was called Sebadoh on an early boot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH3pLG_RTjs
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:33 (two months ago) link
Wow, I forgot that too…I love “Vampire,” but I don’t think I would’ve made the connection
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:45 (two months ago) link
i totally see it, for sure
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:49 (two months ago) link
Pavement: a variety of bands in one band
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 17:58 (two months ago) link
I guess Malk was so hyper-conscious of "recycling" at that time that he felt the need to (alt-)title a song "Ell Ess Two" (would *anyone* have noticed it uses the same chords as "Loretta's Scars"?)
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 18:11 (two months ago) link
I didn't notice that until I saw the "working titles" in the liner notes, after listening to the album 4-5 times
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 18:19 (two months ago) link
I guess this is the CRCR thread, but I listened to the new remaster/new sequence of Terror Twilight over lunch. It’s such a strange fun album!!
Godrich is having more fun than ever before or since, acting as Roxy Music’s Eno. The way the guitars feed through an H909 endlessly to the middle of the stereo field on The Hexx is so inspired and amazing
I can’t tell if Malkmus’s lyrics have gone from skewing-slack to skewing-arch— the opening lyric of Shady Lane from BTC already feels light years away from the bleah-bleah-bleah on Our Singer, so this isn’t particular to this album— and so many couplets on TT are admirable and beautiful, but he feels closer in tone to a future Matthew Friedberger than he does to his younger self. The vocal mic choice is a big change, too, he “sounds good” which is a weird and perhaps less-effective choice for his style
Great album tho, 10/10
― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 19:32 (two months ago) link
Oh and Spit On A Stranger was always a good opening track but it’s a GREAT closing track, love the new sequence
I love The Hexx. I'd say top 5 Pave song for me
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:05 (two months ago) link
And the new sequence does make more sense and presents TT as the adventurous "prog" album it wants to be
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:07 (two months ago) link
Only just learned that it was Spit On A Stranger released as the single outside the US whereas we got Carrot Rope, which sounds much more like a pop single to me
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:12 (two months ago) link
My questionable opinion is that Spit and Carrot should have been a non LP double A-side single, so that TT could be a darker psych rock album
I also prefer this live version of Carrot to the album onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rw07n6gcg
― mizzell, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:37 (two months ago) link
oof the other band members can barely play that
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 20:40 (two months ago) link
wow ... never seen that video and *never* seen the band in that configuration, with Spiral behind SM on keys and ... who is that playing guitar in the Batman shirt and standing in Spiral's usual spot?
admittedly my memory is not what it once was but i don't remember them ever bringing an extra person on tour until Rebecca in the past couple of years? was this a one-off for a TV show?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link
That is their guitar tech Andy Dimmack in the video playing 2nd guitar.
Pavement was briefly a 6 piece with 3 guitarists (Rob Chamberlin) in the Slanted era but Rob left (!) to start his own band (Sugartime) who put out a couple good singles. Rob was an old buddy of Steve and DCB's from the Ectoslavia/UVA days.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 21:15 (two months ago) link
Right, good info, thanks. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of an established band bringing along extra members to help play/sing all the stuff as the arrangements and budgets get a bit bigger. I've been intently paying attn to this band for 30 years and I don't remember ever seeing Andy's face!
― alpine static, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 21:21 (two months ago) link
Yeah, that video (and the configuration) was a new one for me too...
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 21:29 (two months ago) link
I might have gone too hard on my hot takes earlier. I listened to the album again with the dog at the beach and it holds up well, but I do still think this is the least interesting album by pavement. Too sentimental at parts, too "MTV" at others. But the least interesting pavement album is still a great album and I enjoyed listening to it. I will underline my filmore jive is pavementxradiohead opinion though.
Fgti so otm about TT, but i can't stand "our singer" slander. That's a perfect closer and a perfect "young man's yearning" song. Yeah whatever, the theme might be juvenile, but juveniles need music too and that's some of the best of it.
― H.P, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 21:52 (two months ago) link
Oh no, perhaps I wasn’t communicating well: I LOVE Our Singer. “Bleah-bleah-bleah” was meant to be a compliment
― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:03 (two months ago) link
fillmore jive does not resemble radiohead in any way shape or form, i am sorry
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:05 (two months ago) link
Xp Thanks for clarifying, I had all systems ready to go for defence. That's a top 10 pavement song to me
You are a light bridge/outro so damn good "Button the strippers and quarantine nippers" best sm lyric
Agree to disagree voodoo. First minute? Sure, not radiohead, but not great. Next section? pavement does the pablo honey/ proto-the-bends, but worse. I also think it's got some of the worst soloing sm ever put down.
I'll lay off the filmore negativity now. For anyone that loves it, all the power to you.
― H.P, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:19 (two months ago) link
the intro—slowly strummed upper-extended guitar chords—could literally be anything
the soloing and fuzzy guitar sounds like the soloing and fuzzy guitar from…”silence kit” and “cut your hair,” which i guess are both songs you said you also don’t like so idk if we will ever approach this album or band the same way
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 22:32 (two months ago) link