Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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hand of glory is not a real album?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well...it's album *length* anyway. But it's only two "songs" that seem to be just a lot of unfinished meanderings spliced together. I think it's stuff recorded over a lot of years in the late 1980s, in other words not made as *an album* but patched together as something for them to sell post-breakup. Maybe its better than I make it out, I only heard someone else's copy of it. But it sounded like more Twin Infinitives crap.

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the SONG stuff.
The OTHER stuff, I can get into sometimes, but when they're doing rock songs, that's my favourite.
Hand of Glory is just OTHER stuff. No songs. Just stuff. Either you're into it or you aren't. Unless you're really not into, then you'll hate it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i have thankyou, and might i say that it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Horace: the first Royal Trux album (self-titled, not the one with the skulls) is a flawless *synthesis* of "song" and "stuff". Check it out sometime.

harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic except for "hand of glory". everything else owns, and as it happens, the ones i liked least when they came out ("sweet 16" and "veterans") are now my favorites.

mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Veterans of Disorder' is one of the greatest albums ever made, like if Primal Scream (or any other UK band) were 'about' music-qua-music

dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Didn't Primal Scream dedicate an alb to the Trux?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
I've heard a couple of things from 'veterans..' and 'accelerator...' and as nice as the riffs are, or as wasted as the singing sounds it kind of felt to me that I wouldn't really get into a full record of it. That feeling was enough to put me off until I got round to buying 'twin infinitives' last week after that royal trux vs afghan whigs thread.

I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slagging of that album lately. I love Twin Infinitives.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

SO CLASSIC.

If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.

I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.

CATS and DOGS OWNZ.

ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening to the self titled recently. It's great!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

duh. Greatest rock and roll band of all time. No contest.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i really don't like royal trux. thankyou is the only one i have. i only listened to it once, and realised that i would never ever enjoy it, no matter how hard i tried. i like the ballad "stevie" which is off accelerator, i think, but i'm still saying dud. i've always meant to pick up a copy of "twin infinitives" though, out of curiosity more than anything.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

If ever there was a group who ran 180-degrees against the prevailing ILM aesthetics (you know, Anglophilia; the people who accuse others of being "rockist" ... ), then RTX were/are it.

Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.

Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.

kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

See the thing is its that rock n'roll-ness of the band that put me off. Twin Infinitives is more artful.

More art, less rock thx!

When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

simon reynolds loved royal trux. he wrote about them in the melody maker at least once.

a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (nineteen years ago) link

accelerator and veterand of disorder totally blew my mind when they came out. it was mad, unpredictable rock and roll at its best. and i still love those records (much more than thank you, btw, which is only ok to me). but accelerator... oh my...

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

are their reference points really that inscrutable to UK audiences? The Stones seem to loom the largest in RTX's universe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Royal Trux played the worst show I ever saw. We saw them out at the back of The Garage afterwards and my friend Ben shouted at them for it.

Thank You is terrible, though.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i got twin infinitives tonight because of this thread. cheap & used & FUCKING AWESOME. it's gonna take me weeks to make sense of this album.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a classic, but Thank You is the masterpiece.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

NO "ACCELERATOR" IS

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

NO ACTUALLY IT'S "SINGLES, LIVE, UNRELEASED". That record just beats everything ever in the right mood.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have Thank You, but for faux-Stones with the weirdness cranked up a few notches there is none better. (I'll get the rest eventually when I find them at less extortionate prices!) I love that they could freely talk about harmolodics, and star in their own comic book.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've purchased Pound for Pound, Veterans of Disorder, and Thank You within the past couple of weeks and now Royal Trux is the only music I want to listen to. What should I do?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Accelerator, my friend.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Accelerator is one of the best.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc3.gif

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

they are good aren't they nick?!?!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Royal Trux noize?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

if not, i don't know what noize is

(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Neil Michael Hagerty & the Howling Hex double album (I haven't heard any of the ltd ed records, pity me!) kicks ass and is the best of his three wide-release (har har) post RTX albs. Though lately, I've been getting into the first one again. "Creature Catcher" is wonderful.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Who's heard the RTX? The other night I dreamed I was their roadie and we drove from festival to festival in a brown Camaro. The music they played in my dream was good.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It's pretty okay. I haven't spent much time listening to it, but "Stoked" is pretty cool.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Sweet Sixteen is their best record, and one of the top ten rock records of the 1990s. But all of their stuff is great.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You're just saying that because Sweet 16 is their hardest record to find and it's the one that got them bought out of their record deal with Virgin.
(I haven't heard it--since it's so damn hard to find--so I'm probably just being sour grapesy)

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

No, Diamond's right - it's their best, and one of THE best.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oh crap.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, d'ja all see: http://hhex.blogspot.com/

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it really that hard to find though? I mean, it was on a major label and sold jack, you'd think there'd be cut-outs galore (like those stories of people buying Thank You on a AMazon for a penny.) No, I just think it's their most intense, focused record; the songwriting and playing is amazing. It take a couple listens to pick up just how sculpted and crafted the whole thing is. The songs take these little twists that you didn't notice the first listen through. They have little bits of melodic fragments that stick in your head for days. It really sort of does fit in with the mythology that that it was their "70s tribute record"; it's like their re-write of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway or something. Read Justin Farrar's posts about it on the RTX thread; those were great. No man, it's got nothing to do with obscurity; I used to think Cats & Dogs was the best, but after listening obsessively to Sweet Sixteen over a period of a couple months earlier this year, I'm convinced it's their best...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess i've never really looked that hard for it.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post; yeah, Morris -- I wasn't aware of those blogs until you linked to them yesterday... Thanks for that! Still haven't had a chance to read through the serial one yet.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I was all like wtf, until I saw the byline on this:

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
After four (mostly unexceptional) releases on Chicago's hipper-than-thou indie Drag City, Haggerty and Herrema moved on up to Virgin in 1995, becoming label mates with what's left of their heroes, the Rolling Stones. Some might have considered the David Briggs-produced Thank You a sell-out, but it was as weird, sloppy, and attitudinal as ever. Only this time, there were bona fide pop songs that stuck in your craw, indicating for the first time that the Truckers might be more than just another Lower East Side art-rock rip-off. Sweet Sixteen is even better. To the extent that I care or can be bothered to decipher 'em, the lyrics tackle the same old concerns: sex, drugs, and rock & roll in-jokes. It's the musical settings that matter. Haggerty and lovingly reconstruct every '70s sound they ever smoked a bong or nodded off to: Sly Stone-style funk ("The Pick-Up"), Allman Brothers twin guitars meet prog-rock synths ("Don't Try to Hard"), stoner country-blues-jugband shuffling ("Roswell Seeds & Stems"), and even ultra-ironic Abbey Road-era Beatlemana ("Can't Have It Both Ways"). Of course, Redd Kross and Jellyfish/Imperial Drag (to name but two) have been building winning pop from this junkyard wreckage for quite some time now. But while the members of Royal Trux are coming to the party late, they're arriving with their arms full of treats.Jim Derogatis

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

They've had Sweet 16 in the bin over at Reckless every time I've been there in the past few weeks, but I hadn't picked it up because I had read mixed things about it. They also had the Singles collection a week or so ago and I didn't get it, which I'll probably regret eventually. Accelerator is the one that sounds best, but I've just been picking up what's easily available first. I'm curious about the RTX album because Herrema's voice is a large part of the appeal for me.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

n/a, the Singles has "Faca Amolada" on it, one of the most melodic songs they ever did. Nice stuff.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I really really like the song "Stop!".

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Sweet 16 is really dense and queasy, their most difficult lp outside Twin Infinitives.
If you like Accelerator, Transmaniacon is similar.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I'm eventually going to have to get them all. Right now I'm theoretically on a budget of only buying one cd a week, but I already cheated on that rule this past weekend.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm gonna play "stop" on the radio tomorrow. Or my "The Exception" yeah, I think I'll play "The Exception" and then something from Transmaniacon.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dud! But, also, get well soon!

scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:13 (two months ago) link

xp Yeah, maybe that was just for streaming? In true Trux fashion, it all seems a little scattered (and not sure what they gained by "leaving" Drag City)...

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

I guess maybe DC wasn't streaming yet when they left

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

I have never heard of this label...

(to be fair, I'm pretty disconnected from the label scene)

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link

They've been around a fair old time tbh. Lately they've been reissuing Lemonheads' stuff. https://www.discogs.com/label/2051-Fire-Records

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

yeah that's Spacemen 3's old label (post-Glass) from the 80s

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link

I've mostly known them for putting out Bardo Pond stuff and, more recently, Vanishing Twin.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link

they also recently did those killer Bardo Pond "covers" EPs

lol xp

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link

wasn't Fat Possum allegedly going to do the same reissue campaign back in 2018?

They did, putting out the albums on vinyl.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link

Did they end up doing all of them? I don't remember seeing them all come out, though I didn't look that hard since I have everything on CD anyway.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:24 (two months ago) link

Discogs says all but the Virgin albums.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:25 (two months ago) link

Meant to say wikipedia not discogs there... and that seems to be wrong.
Looks like they only reissued a few of the albums?

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:33 (two months ago) link

xps: Discogs tells me I own 6 releases on Fire lol

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:43 (two months ago) link

Thank You will always be one of my favorite albums of the nineties. So fricking good. They were a lot of fun.

timellison, Thursday, 8 February 2024 18:41 (two months ago) link

Had forgotten David Briggs produced Thank You until I put on my old CD just now - still sounds gd to me.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 8 February 2024 19:28 (two months ago) link

Hoping this Fire reissues project will include a vinyl issue of Sweet Sixteen.

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

Interestingly, the release on Fire's website says "career spanning"

The duo who refused to comply with the rules on and off stage, leaving an incomparable legacy to admire in their wake, Royal Trux announce a career spanning catalogue deal with Fire Records.

https://www.firerecords.com/royal-trux-sign-to-fire-and-announce-extensive-reissue-series-beginning-with-twin-infinitives/

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:16 (two months ago) link

lol they aren't even doing the first album!

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:20 (two months ago) link

Well it does say “comprehensive reissue series”… maybe they plan to circle back?

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:22 (two months ago) link

I'll be impressed if they actually do get the Virgin albums tho. To Kim's point upthread, not even Fat Possum got to those.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:26 (two months ago) link

Yeah Fire's been around for decades. Kinda chug along but they do good work, and that includes reissue series -- did a huge set of Giant Sand stuff years back.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link

Small print at the bottom of that link:

Reawakening their prolific output within a new monochrome vinyl series covering 1988-1993, they begin with their seminal deconstructed rock masterpiece Twin Infinitives.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link

Ah, yeah, there you go. Assuming then the "career spanning" part is that they own the streaming rights now, which would include Virgin (and presumably the Fat Possum albums).

I mean, a fitting mess for this band tbh.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:34 (two months ago) link

Huh... at least "1988" seems to confirm that LP1 will eventually be included.

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:19 (two months ago) link

haha this wouldn't be proper RT news without confusing all of us

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:28 (two months ago) link

I saw what I think was a showcase show for them in LA when they got signed. Neil and Jennifer were touring as a duo at the time, but that show had the full band with Dan Brown, the two drummers, and maybe some rented amps? It was definitely different gear than what I'd seen in San Diego. That band was great!

timellison, Friday, 9 February 2024 03:00 (two months ago) link

Hey, it's the debut after all!

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 15 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link

Fat Possum only managed to reissue Accelerator, Cats and Dogs and a cassette of Twin Infinitives.
At the time the deal was announced, it also included the new Royal Trux album, White Stuff, as well as the back catalogs and new releases from Black Bananas and The Howling Hex. My assumption is that after Neil left the band, tour cancelled, etc. the label soon lost interest. The Howling Hex Fastball Express album they had announced is still digital-only, and nothing else ever came out.
It's been five years, so the contract must have expired and this other label is going to hopefully do it right.
I like White Stuff, but mostly for the thrill of hearing them sing together again. Now I can tell that it's kind of a rush job/ incomplete record.
I wouldn't mind if they try to get back together again, assuming everyone is healthy.

Mike Dixn, Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:18 (two months ago) link

Ahh, thanks for the clarification about what Fat Possum did reissue, I know it never seemed like all that much. That scenario feels pretty likely, let’s hope Fire does it right. Based on what I’ve gotten from them, it seems likely.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 18 February 2024 20:51 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

March 2024 Update

I was informed Thursday, March 14, 2024, that all the charges against me were dismissed. I want to thank you all for the part you played in this outcome. I'll try writing again once this news sinks in a little bit.

PeAcE & LoVe - Neil Hagerty

Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 18 March 2024 04:18 (one month ago) link

Quotes by Neil’s attorney: https://www.denverpost.com/2024/03/18/neil-hagerty-royal-trux-charges-dropped-police-denver/

Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:32 (four weeks ago) link

just about as good an outcome as you could hope for, I think

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:18 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah, sounds like a pretty good outcome. Hopefully the treatment he received will be a boon in general, not just wrt this case.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 16:31 (four weeks ago) link


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