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I would imagine that the AE supports whatever feature Kenan wanted, but then, my hourly phone support fees are certainly prohibitive.

libcrypt, Sunday, 25 May 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

"the golden hour of the future", if anyone cares

i care!!! where did you find a copy? has it been repressed yet? why did it go out of print so quickly? will you sell it to me?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 25 May 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I recommend this.

libcrypt, Sunday, 25 May 2008 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

moonship: i bought it back when it came out (i'm on the blind youth mailing list and got in quick). i ripped it at the time but "cairo" (the problem track) never came through ... it's taken me this long to get round to fixing it! listening to "music for listening to" (see revived ILM thread!) reminded me.

(of course: the fact the tracks after "cairo" all worked suggests iTunes must eventually stop hanging and carry on ... i obviously wasn't paying much attention first time round).

anyway: not selling it but will certainly give you the MP3s if you want and haven't downloaded elsewhere, plus other league rarities. email me if you want :)

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link

my netgear wireless router was a piece of shit

akm, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

why, if you don't mind me asking, did you go for it in the first place?

Well, I don't know doo-doo about routers, and the old Linksys had been giving me serious trouble since I hooked up a server to it and started a little FTP free-for-all from home. (Ah, good times.) It didn't seem to like it when people did things like put lots of data through it. Aw, don't it just break your heart. So I thought, Apple, because their shit is expensive, and being cheap is what got me in that pickle in the first place, and I've never seriously regretted buying any of their products. But this particular product is not really meant for me. For one thing, I don't care about wireless range or strength -- if I'm using wireless at all, it's from 10 feet away, and I certainly don't have an N card. So I paid extra for a feature that's not useful to me (and debatably useful to anyone). Secondly, it was doing things that I am sure not sure what they were, but they were not standard. The router itself is unfriendly to non-Apple computers, which is a goddamned obnoxious thing for something as simple as a router and firewall to be. I was excited about the feature where the routher has a USB port to plug a drive into and share network-wide, but you can't configure HOW you want to share it (it's AFP or suck it), and even though I install afp and AppleTalk on Linux well enough to talk to the iMac, the AirPort was not giving up the drive. From what I understand, this would have been easy as pie if only all my machines were Apples. And then there was the FTP issues -- it was very restrictive with outgoing data, wouldn't allow connections in passive mode even though the little box that said PASV was clearly checked, wouldn't allow file access that the server did allow (no, really! I could own the file, have the permissions set at 777, and through this router for some reason, not be able to move or change the file. The weirdest thing I ever did see) and even if you did manage to get in (using active mode only) the connection was a trickle. I spent days and days trying to get all this to work. Then finally, with a friend halfway around the world and on chat and frustrated with my inability to do something so simple (and more than a little smug because he really did tell me so), I plugged the Linksys back in, told my machines they had a new local IP, opened up three or four ports, and boom, he was pulling data out of my server at 300k or some such. Took about five minutes. Which is better than days and days.

But yeah, I still need something a bit more hardy than this -- it's crapped out once, and will again. And I ain't spending $800, call me a cheap consumer all you want.;)

kenan, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link

grimly: i realize this isn't ILM but any idea why it was such a limited pressing? you'd think that with the groundswell of interest in post-punk they'd have pressed more than like 1000 copies ... why not just keep it in print? was it the royalties for the motown songs, maybe?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

i have no idea -- i thought they were going to press up more after the first run. i'll try dropping sean a line and see what he says (although i'm not sure how involved he was with the actual production).

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Maybe something like this? Hell, it lists Linux as a supported OS.

kenan, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been meaning to put my copy online to see what kind of mega-$$$$ I can get out of it.

While some labels are fine keeping CDs in print forever, others assume there's a limited market and don't want 1,000 CDs sitting in their closet.

dan selzer, Sunday, 25 May 2008 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i'll give you 50 mega-$$$$ for it

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 25 May 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll think about it. a few months ago I made a spreadsheet of all the CDs I was planning on selling in my great purge and The Future was up on amazon for 180...I may just have to see how much I can get for it.

dan selzer, Monday, 26 May 2008 03:25 (fifteen years ago) link

e-mailed sean from blind youth/ex-rental, and he said:


There has been some talk about a reissue, but nothing definite yet. The original release was so limited because Richard (X) assumed 2,000 copies would be enough - no-one anticipated how much interest there would be! So, with copies going for silly money on eBay, maybe the reissue will happen now (possibly via iTunes, but hopefully on CD too), but that's all I know at the moment. Obviously, I'll update the website if I hear anything definite!

so there we go.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link

think we should maybe stop derailing the thread n ... hang on, this is ILX. sorry, as we were.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I has a nice new wireless keyboard so today I don't hate apple

could do with pgup/dn keys tho :(

DG, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:28 (fifteen years ago) link

the more i use this fucking windows box at work, the more i love apple and everything it stands for.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

so lolz at the new Apple store in Boston being three stories tall and massive and having pretty much the exact same inventory as the Apple store in the Cambridgeside Galleria

I think I am halfway towards convincing my wife I need an Apple laptop, though. Anyone had experience/difficulty networking these with Windows machines?

HI DERE, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

nope apart from windows being its usual helpful self

DG, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link

at my parents house they have a desktop PC connected to a printer and a wireless router. i managed to get both of their powerbooks (both running panther) to be able to share files w/ each other and the PC and to use the PC's printer. there was some crap at first involving workgroups but it worked itself out.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link

lolz at the new Apple store in Boston being three stories tall and massive and having pretty much the exact same inventory as the Apple store in the Cambridgeside Galleria

oh of course! They all have *exactly* the same inventory. The Apple Store does not exist to be a brick-and-mortar retail establishment, and it's a thousand miles away from being a service center -- it's there to provide different levels and acreages of floor space for glorified Best Buy employees to mill around and explain to anyone who will listen that a .Mac account will really enhance their Apple user experience.

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I used to think it was a shiny clean enticing place. Now it depresses the hell out of me. At least at Micro Center, there are options and usually someone geeky enough to know the difference between the products. The Apple store eliminates that little snag in staff training by only having one model of any Apple-compatible product at a time. Need a firewire hard drive? This is the one for you. How about an external DVD drive? We happen to offer this one fabulous model for your convenience. Etc etc.

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link

People are as free as they want to be.

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link

kenan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9hpMgKI_NU

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess I'm still dealing with the shock of having lost all faith. The pricey Apple product isn't always the best one, and all the employees in the Apple store are complete frickin' morons. Those are both facrs, you can look 'em up. :(

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link

facTs

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Lookin' em up boss.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Just tell me you don't have an Apple tat, kenan.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Maybe it can be worked into some kinda biblical montage, if so.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link

no. I have never even shamed myself with an Apple sticker on my car or my bedroom window. Momentary temptation, sure, but it passed. Like all such things, it will go the way of the Half a Garfield and the Darwin Fish.

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

As much as I prefer Apple products to wintel, I don't believe in giving any for-profit company free advertising.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Can you still say "Wintel"? You did hear about that little thing with the Apples and the... nah, skip it. ;)

kenan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

As much as I prefer Apple products to wintel, I don't believe in giving any for-profit company free advertising.

I needed computer speakers so I went to the new Apple Store in Boston. There was a queue, a fucking queue, of people waiting to get their picture taken in front of the Apple logo. Disgusting.

Allen, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Wintel = Windows on Intel, no more, no less.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow. I really don't get it.

On an "I hate Apple" note, Safari's become halfway dysfunctional in the last week and I can't figure out why, so I'm using Firefox most of the time now. (By halfway dysfunctional, I mean it won't let me click buttons or many links, and video doesn't work.) Great job, Apple!

Maria, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

My first guess at the source of that problem would be Application Enhancer, if you have it.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

also if your history is massively long, delete most of it

(or switch to firefox, which i've done. the history feature is kind of important if you're older than 12)

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link

(By halfway dysfunctional, I mean it won't let me click buttons or many links, and video doesn't work.)

oddly enough firefox keeps doing this to me so i switch to safari for a while

DG, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah me too. I seems like firefox gets "tired" if you use it or leave it on too long.

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

the more windows you open without restarting the application, no matter what application it is, its memory usage will climb and climb

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i think

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i25.tinypic.com/n3m9o3.png

libcrypt, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 01:29 (fifteen years ago) link


yeah me too. I seems like firefox gets "tired" if you use it or leave it on too long.

-- sexyDancer, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:11 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.firefoxmastery.com/firefox/firefox-hack-back-button-memory-consumption/

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 02:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Firefox 3 seems to have finally fixed the memory collection bug.

Nhex, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 07:04 (fifteen years ago) link

okay, so is there really no way to have muliple users on one machine running leopard logged in at the same time (as you can do in XP)? one user has to log out for the other to log in, right? You can't just switch users? ANNOYING.

akm, Friday, 30 May 2008 02:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yes, there is!

http://www.apple.com/sg/macosx/features/fastuserswitching/

Clay, Friday, 30 May 2008 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

well, actually, this is more helpful.

http://www.usingmac.com/2008/1/21/leopard-fast-user-switching

Clay, Friday, 30 May 2008 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yes, thank you so much! i was really missing this

akm, Friday, 30 May 2008 07:20 (fifteen years ago) link

why can't you just tell Time Machine to back-up once a day instead of once an hour?

dan selzer, Sunday, 1 June 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

You are not to be trusted with such decisions.

kenan, Sunday, 1 June 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link

(but you can give this a shot)

kenan, Sunday, 1 June 2008 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link


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