The hipster ethos, as promulgated in Vice Magazine, is indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism

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... and I only read bits of this... what am I, stupid?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

But if I see one, obviously I'm going to defend the home team.

why, M.! If I didn't know you better I'd say you were becoming downright American

(JUST TEASING JUST TEASING ALL IN GOOD FUN LOVE YOU SO MUCH ILX IS FOR THE CHILDREN ETC)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago) link

"SUICIDE GIRLS
Sorry hipsters, but this is not porn. It's not even sex work. It's more like a pretend tea party with your stuffed animals. I applied to it when it first came out and they actually expected me to do shit like explain why I'd be a good Suicide Girl. Excuse me? That's the first time a pimp ever wanted to see a résumé. The reason these girls can wax poetic about how it's the new porn and talk about empowerment is simple: They are not in the porn industry. Porn is about subordinating yourself for money. If it feels good, you're not doing it right."

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

If you're jerking to it, it's porn.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

now that's objectivism

― duke rand, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

that should be the Supreme Court's new standard for obscenity.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

Rand is nothing like Nietzsche

Rand is Comic Book Nietzsche.

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

The reason they're trying to make Suicide Girls look tame is that Suicide Girls is launching a magazine of 'hipster porn' which may have Vice a teensy bit on the defensive.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Airbrushed average boring scenesters!

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

is there such a thing as an exciting scenester?

― duke scene, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

momus otm re: suicide girls (vice SHOULD be afraid)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

BRIGHT EYES RULES

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

Last time, didn't we just come to the conclusion that Momus's fascination with Vice is based on the fact that he wasn't in the U.S. during the late 80s and early 90s when zines were actually good? (plz. note: Answer Me! was not good.)

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

don't forget they pay him, too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

What zines were ever good?

I used to read 2600 - -- - - SHOCKA!

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

and I'll admit pay is definitely a good incentive for developing interest. All of a sudden, chemicals are very exciting to me!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.2600.com/covers/wi951.gif

Remember Nynex?

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

Well, Rollerderby for one. I think Ben Is Dead had its moments. I liked the first few issues of Bunnyhop, Beer Frame was outstanding. I also vaguely remember there being a mag out of Texas that had *precisely* the same attitude as Vice ("Answer Me!-lite"), but I can't remember what it was called.

(x-post)

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

ben is dead ruled!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.2600.com/covers/sp991.gif

God, I can't believe I was into 2600 so long ago.... ~1994-1998 I read it I think.

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.2600.com/covers/06871.gif

OMG

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

Worst Radiohead album cover ever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever happened to "Crow" 'zine? I picked up one issue of that years ago, and it was great!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Momus's fascination with Vice is based on the fact that he wasn't in the U.S. during the late 80s and early 90s when zines were actually good... I liked the first few issues of Bunnyhop

Jay, I'm afraid I'm going to have to puncture that theory. I more or less wrote Issue 10 of Bunnyhop myself, the Fake issue:

The fact is that there is a statistically signficant positive correlation between these zines being good and my being in them. (Certainly in my own mind.) I am also in Suicide Girls magazine, should Vice fail.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:35 (twenty years ago) link

(That's also me on the cover of 2600's June 1987 number.)

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:38 (twenty years ago) link

Two of my own early zines.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:49 (twenty years ago) link

(My Dick was already indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism. At least, to the average reader of ILX.)

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:53 (twenty years ago) link

Did your dick write the magazine i.e. was the text a load of life-giving proteinaceous goo?

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

One of my fanboys promoting my zine:

http://www.nodata.org/honey/sinister/picnics/ATP-Caleb-4.jpg

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but the Bunnyhop fake issue came out in 2002, right? I mean, Noel's been doing that zine for ten years, he just takes nine months between issues or something. The first issue under that name came out in like 1994, and before that, I think it was the same magazine with a different title ("Waffle"?). Rather than puncturing the theory, you seem to have proved it!

― J (Jay), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

BTW, I have an original copy of the 'Blinky' issue of Bunnyhop, the one Noel had to destroy because Matt Groening threatened to sue him.

I also have an original copy of 'The Little Red Songbook,' the one that Momus had to withdraw when Wendy Carlos threatened to sue him. Coincidence?

― J (Jay), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

I totally forgot about Murder Can Be Fun, which seems to live on, sorta, as a website that apparently hasn't been updated since 1998. *That* was a great zine.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

I really don't think history is going to look kindly on Vice and its whole aesthetic. Things are already shifting, and very soon Vice and its ilk will seem like a very embarassing relic. Even moreso than right now.

It is awfully sweet that Momus will spend so much time defending his pals. I'd advise him to jump off that sinking ship, though.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

ten years pass...

fuck yeah. fuck the poor

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/ayn-rand-ideal-published-july-27364158

atlas is shrugging again, baby!

― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 December 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

This exists.
Love the humanization of assholes like this by mainstream media and it's fun to imagine how this sort of blatant stupidity would've landed throughout history: "Nazi Leader: How He Went From Bold Hipster Mustache Choices to Genocide" ⁦@adamjohnsonNYC⁩ pic.twitter.com/rqge9f84xr
— Kyle Inabinette (@KyleInabinette) October 17, 2018

notice how NYT presents "Brooklyn hipster" as something inherently contradictory to racist and rightwing. Did any of these people actually read early VICE? https://t.co/CRuizqZ4Vp
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link

a true shock pic.twitter.com/q5Zyy3cCIF
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 17, 2018

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link

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