Project Runway

had to share.

Wendy Pepper passed away.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/17/wendy-pepper-project-runway-dead/

Last month, Mychael Knight from season 3 died

http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/17/project-runway-contestant-mychael-knight-dead/

Watching the climate change episode rn

man there are a million threads on this show

Anyone watching this first post-Klum & Gunn season? I was skeptical at first but it's been pretty good (with a note that my watching over the past few years was kind of spotty), Christian Siriano is a way more empathetic and involved consultant. I thought he did a good job in this week's setting up CFDA mentorship for the winner; I seem to remember him being the one that said publicly it was kind of insane after he won PR, he had no idea how to run a business and it was overwhelming. I also like Kloss against my better judgement (knowing she's with a Kushner). AS for the calls on the contestants: it seems obvious to me that Bishme is the best of the remaining designers (Garo is good but that corset thing gets tired...I know that's his whole gig but it would be good to see something without it) and the less said about millenial sunshine the better.

I am on episode 5? The episodes seem really long and I don't love the new workspace (it makes everything seem muted) but i agree with most of your comments re Siriano and Kloss (also omg she is so tall). I kind of laugh at the stylist. Like, I like her attitude but whenever they show her instagram posts of her squatty fashion I laugh.

Siriano is crazy talented. I am so happy that his business is doing well.

I have no clue who that male judge is but he sucks.

He bugged me for a while too but I came around on him by the end of the season. He's no zak posen obviously.

How dare you forget Michael Kors!

Kors was annoying.

the lifetime-era heidi/tim/posen seasons were really enjoyable... i tried watching the new season and after two episodes i just thought it had lost almost all of the magic. but maybe i wasn't being generous enough

you guys are right about christian tho, he was clearly the bright spot

My main problem with the lifetime era was the odd suburbaness of it. Like being sponsored by JC Penny and Red Robin.

I think I appreciated Kors' bone deep bitchiness that comes with age.

Siriano is the most successful of any PR winner, AFAIK; in fact, he may be the only successful one? What has happened to the others?

I love the new season - turns out the majority of the Lifetime guard leaving has been the best thing the show has done in years. Christian Siriano is, as noted, the best thing about the show so far. He's less paternal than Tim Gunn, but more helpful. Karlie Kloss is whatever as a host. I actually like Brandon Maxwell, he's clearly Kors-lite but he's still critical when it counts.

Out of the final four, I'm rooting for Sebastian. Bishme for my runner-up. I can't stand Garo and his fucking corsets and Hester is v hit-or-miss.

xpost I watched the super All Star season with international winners from past seasons. I think there have been some successful people just not on the level as Siriano actually doing high fashion.

yeah I just dug up an article on all the winners, most are still working in fashion in some way but none at his level. I forgot about some of those earlier winners, like that asshole neck tattoo dude.

I was trying to find this lengthy older article about Siriano's business problems post PR but everything hitting is from this year's PR debut. It was really good though that he embraced designing for non-model types in a way that felt sincere and not just cashing in in the moment. Like it was obscene that no one wanted to design a dress for Leslie Jones.

The right designer won! What a great season, really.

Also, the next season is airing this fall? Really? Did they shoot these these new Bravo seasons back to back?

I am assuming Hester Cosplay did not win? I think I am still around 8 designers left.

completely random but yesterday in a super small one stall bathroom at a conveyer belt sushi place i startled the woman at the sink by yelling "YOU WERE ON PROJECT RUNWAY!" (it was the super angular asian model on the recent season)

anyone tune into Making the Cut? It's quite good. As much as I like Christian Siriano he's the only thing about PR that is still good.

Making the Cut is essentially exactly the same show, with the difference that all the designers are a lot further along in their careers and the prize money is way higher so the expectation is that whoever wins this really will launch into a much bigger brand. So far there have also been fewer design fails. The only thing I dont like about Making the Cut is that the judge panel has Naomi Campbell on it and she's so incredibly unpleasant.

I am LOVING this show. The clothes are amazing. Sander and Esther are my favourites and I really don't see what they see in Johnny.

Naomi is great TV. I can see how her directness can come across as rude but I actually think it's very honest and the praise she gives is always really precise and useful and celebratory. I'm sure Simon Cowell has said nastier things on his shows and got away with it.

Chiara Ferragni seems the weak link to me - she doesn't seem to have anything useful to contribute. It is hilarious how blatant they've made it that Nicole Richie couldn't get a visa for Japan though.

Also the budget for this must be unreal. Not just the main prize but the weekly ones too. And it looks gorgeous on screen too. When Esther went for a swim I wanted to jump in that water, it was so beautifully shot.

oh is that what happened to richie? I actually forgot she was even on it. you'd think they would have researched that more before hand.

wait are there THREE shows like this now

the Netflix one was quite good, or at least the designers were

the one bad thing about this show: the music is unbearable. too loud, generic, awful. go back to some bland vocal-free stuff please.

you guys are talking about Making the Cut? I only saw some headline about it dissing on Amazon so I kind of overlooked it, but it's good?

Yes. If you liked PR with Heidi and Tim you'll like it, it's essentially the same show with a bigger budget and more accomplished designers.

oh this was the headline that I think turned me off from watching it, "Making the Cut Is a Thinly Disguised Amazon Marketing Campaign".

eh, PR itself was a marketing campaign for the different brands they took on as sponsors and it was more intrusive IMO.

oh yes the music is massively distracting, although 20+ seasons of ANTM has kinda made it easy for me to overlook it now. I don't think it's too bad in terms of pushing Amazon - you're watching it on Amazon Prime and they sell the clothes on their website but it doesn't seem any more heavy-handed than the various sponsored shoes-and-accessories walls on Project Runway. Heidi and Tim get some interludes to themselves and usually these things are quite cringey but I find them really endearing, Tim is such a sweetheart and Heidi seems a lot more relaxed in this than I've ever seen her. I like that the show is much more focussed on the design rather than the craft (cf getting the seamstresses in overnight, off camera, to fashion the garments based on instructions) and also the dynamics between contestants seems particuarly peaceful for this kind of show.

I tried with Alexa and Tan but I've always found Alexa to be massively unlikable and Tan seemed equally awful so we didn't even make it through five minutes of that.

as I say, they had to be tolerated - the contestants made it worth it

xpost I knew PR was over in that incarnation when it had Red Robin as a sponsor.

but i guess the idea is that amazon is an entirely different beast in terms of pushing their total takeover of everything in the world (all their new lines of "branded" clothes now). I really want to completely cut off amazon, but it is extremely difficult. I did get rid of Prime. awwww... i like Alexa so much.

Enjoying Making the Cut on amazon but not completely getting the judging process which it doesn't seem very well thought through as a thing for the viewer to process. Picking just a couple out to talk to then HK asking the other judges if anyone has changed their mind? Kinda stupid, imo. There are a lot of nice contestants in it though! Naiomi is fierce and fearless as a judge! I'm only on episode three so please flag spoilers if you have got further. Ta.

oops, sorry, I searched for this through the site function but didn't realise it had already been discussed - Just swiped straight to the bottom and posted.

The Netflix one had different problems. It seems that in order to avoid litigation for copyright for the shows themselves you have to make certain processes more distinct so that it's not a straight copy of another show but in doing that you simply make the thing needlessly complicated in increasingly atomised judging processes.

The judging makes more sense the less of them there are

Good to hear.

I'd imagine Naomi's fee for this approaches the entire budget for the other similar shows on its own.

Tim Gunn is such a gentle soul.

EP 4 SPOLIER

It was quite clear that Esther was the winner of that but that they couldn't make her win again three times out of four.

seems obvious that esther is going to win the whole thing unless the avant garde guy steps it up a bit

what really needs to stop is the Heidi and Tim hanging out interludes, which it goes without saying are total shite, we just need more Naiomi and her lack of filter. There are literally zero people watching this that want to watch those.

(those H&T 'ludes)

Oh I like the interludes! But I have so much affection for Tim doing, well, anything. The Heidi and Chiara one was rubbish

I mean... obviously these interludes would be 100% better if they replaced Heidi with Naomi and Tim with a Nokia 3310 handset