bergman season at NFT: what movies do I go to see? + C/D

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'Interiors' is one of Woody's best films. It's when he rips of Fellini that you're really in troub.

Bergs I wld like to see: 'Hour of the Wolf', 'Shame', 'The Rite' and 'A Passion'.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 11 January 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

they are showing all of those apart from the last one (unless you mean, 'the passion of anna').

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 11 January 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Revive!

First let me be heretical: Wild Strawberries bored me wildly. However, Bermgan is still firmly entrenched as one of my favorite filmmakers on the basis of Seventh Seal, Cries & Whispers and to a slightly lesser extent Persona. So what next must I see? John's description of Silence sounds like the best candidate.

vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

He boounds wildly with me. I thought Strawberries never really topped that first dream sequence, and Smiles on a Summer Night was the least funny comedy I think I've ever seen. His fat miniseries work seems to be quite awesome, though.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i'd never seen an ingmar bergman film till about a month ago as i'd always had the impression they were all really boring. um, i stand corrected. he's got one of the most engaging visual styles i've ever seen, very clean and simple yet filled with shots i find it hard to get out of my mind - enough so that i actually feel excited about watching movies again after like five months of feeling indifferent to them (one of the sad side-effects of taking film classes, i've found). of the three i've seen, wild strawberries is as moving a film as i've ever seen (boring? sentimental? sheesh!), persona is a masterpiece beyond reproach, and hour of the wolf is pretty goofy but still worth watching. so i'll be checking everything else out ASAP.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 2 January 2006 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Smiles of a Summer Night is a great sex comedy (so break the tie between me and Eric).

On my Underappreciated list are The Magician and After the Rehearsal.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Check out the new Criterion DVD of The Virgin Spring.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

here is my somewhat hem hem encrypted review of "the silence" which everyone -- inc.d4rni3lle above -- seems keen to describe v.weirdly: look what it is ABOUT is it is entirely from the POV of a KID who doesn't really understand the adults round him, anyway i love it

i am a wee bit hard on glass darkly and winter light in it (innit), but the silence is MUCH more must-see i think

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The only way we can accept The Silence is thru the child's point of view. Bitchy lesbian incest and dwarves sounds like proto-David Lynch, no?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I heart The Silence too. Much more successful at showing what Bergman characters sometimes seem to be only talking about in his other films. Also one of the best uses ever of the usually tired trope of "teh little people." I am a little afraid to click on link and have sinkah's incisive thoughts drive out my fuzzy ones, but here I go.

(xpost)

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

haha NOT THAT INCISIVE i don't think -- more like distractedly scribbled

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen Winter Light in many years but it struck me as too arid.

My favorite: Shame, which took the austerity of his chamber dramas in a bold and frightening direction. It's probably the most convincing depiction of a postwar environment on film.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Hour Of The Wolf has kind of a bad reputation, but there is a kind of campiness and conventional ghost story aspect to it that in some ways make it more enjoyable than some of the others with loftier reputations.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

proto-David Lynch

not to forget the constant (air conditioner?) humming in the background (which, in retrospect, might have been the bad print i saw)

Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Really? I thought it was really hot in that Behind-The-Iron-Curtain hotel, and that there was no A/C.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

it is more Behind-the-Eric-Ambler-Curtain, i think (ie not really a geographical-historical place so much as an menacing idea of a politics)

eraserhead meets touch of evil meets eloise

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"in sweden, everything is fi-ine"

http://ludovicmaubreuil.hautetfort.com/images/medium_eraserhead.jpg

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

it is more Behind-the-Eric-Ambler-Curtain
Indeed. The eldest son of that hotel waiter was soon to grow up to be a Mastermind pretender.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I just re-saw the early '60s trilogy and Through a Glass Darkly and Harriet Andersson still rule.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

The Passion of Anna – worth renting? Quick!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

yes

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

ullman series at BAM, which should i go see

Shame
Persona
Hour of the Wolf
Scenes from a Marriage
Saraband
Faithless (Trolösa)
The Passion of Anna (En passion)
Cries and Whispers (Viskningar och rop)
The Serpent’s Egg
Autumn Sonata (Höstsonaten)

max, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

see persona, it's one of the 4-5 best movies ever. then probably cries and whispers. i haven't seen a bad one yet.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 November 2009 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Shame Shame Shame

Chris L, Thursday, 19 November 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Persona's great, but seems to screen fairly often in NY. I'd vote for *Cries & Whispers* or *Scenes,* esp. if you're up for some uncomfortable intensity. (The former made me gasp out loud at home). Skip *Saraband* (unless you've already scene *Scenes*--it's a sequel) and Faithless (Ullman directed, from a Bergman script).

uninspired girls rejoice!!! (Hoot Smalley), Thursday, 19 November 2009 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Sat down tonight intending to watch Wild Strawberries, but looked at this thread and decided to go with Persona instead.

thankig u, ilx

Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link

six years pass...

it is more Behind-the-Eric-Ambler-Curtain, i think (ie not really a geographical-historical place so much as an menacing idea of a politics) eraserhead meets touch of evil meets eloise

Love this. Wish the link to sinkah's full FT review hadn't gone missing.

Under Heaviside Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link

fwiw

mark s, Saturday, 15 July 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link

Thanks!

Under Heaviside Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

Bonus points for Old Skool Halliwell quote.

Under Heaviside Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link

Shame holds up so well.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 July 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link

cries & whispers, wild strawberries and persona are all on MUBI right now, none of which i've seen: which should i watch?

(none of them tonight: ferrera's king of new york feat.cwalken leaves at midnight and i haven't seen it since it came out)

mark s, Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link

All of them, with caveats

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

I'd go with Wild Strawberries, though its been ages since I've seen the other two.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link

Persona

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link

I watched king of New York for the first time today and understood for the first time why my gay mum fancies Christopher Walken

Cueing up wild strawberries now, which I've also never seen

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link

xpost

but yes, Shame is amazing

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link

you should def watch all of them

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link

cries & whispers, wild strawberries and persona are all on MUBI right now, none of which i've seen: which should i watch?

(none of them tonight: ferrera's king of new york feat.cwalken leaves at midnight and i haven't seen it since it came out)


You must be talking about Mubi UK

Under Heaviside Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link

i am yes

mark s, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link

sorry

mark s, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link

Watch all of them, yes - my favourite is Cries & Whispers (its just my fave Bergman full stop)

Through a Glass Darkly also on MUBI so I'll try and watch that.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 July 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link

yep i have TaGD on ancient crappy video

mark s, Saturday, 15 July 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link

i missed wild strawberries thru bein dumm

watching the 3-hr fanny & alexander now: so great

ewa fröling just screaming at her husband's death right now

mark s, Saturday, 22 July 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link

and then the funeral, and we're thrown back into something half victorian, half-medieval

mark s, Saturday, 22 July 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link

gunn wållgren as the grandmother is terrific: she was more or less the matriarch of swedish film at this point also, and died only a year after the film came out

mark s, Saturday, 22 July 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link

Through a Glass Darkly was excellent though I'm still digesting it. Take him for granted, need to re-watch some more.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 July 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link

What an amazing streak between at least 1953 and 1982. It would be far more difficult to determine what's not worth seeing… but fwiw Bergman himself considered the comedy All These Women aka Now About These Women a relative failure. My least favorite in that period would be The Touch, the English-language one with Elliott Gould.

Josefa, Monday, 24 July 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

15 years on and we have another. Its not called the NFT anymore.

Saw Winter Light yesterday (the only one of the so-called Trilogy of Silence I hadn't seen). So so much to say - for a start Nykvist's cinematography was just something else (I mean I knew that but to encounter it on the big screen for the first time in well, 15 years, as oposed to seeing it on TV screens). Could spend a long-time just looking at those shots. Then Bergman's writing is so good - just no fat whatsoever, the editing infuses it with mystifications, the in-built subtle play with causation as the day unfolds. Then there's the acting, which is so good - although you also fear it came at a cost to all concerned. To think there was another 30 years of this, when it was all so THERE.

Ones I am going to see: The Passion of Anna, Autumn Sonata and possibly All These Women (the last one is a comedy).

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link

This time around its spread over three months as oposed to two and the BFI are organising it in these strands - so if you want to see his films on love, well you know where to go for the heartbreak.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Went to a three hour screening of the complete TV version of Face to Face and what is it? So much of a culmniation of everything up to that moment with a look forward to the rest of it - the failure of talk to cure the ills (Persona), those inventive and yet tough dream sequences (Wild Strawberries), the aborted at birth relationships (The Passion of Anna), his obsession with the tick-tock of time and the games with death. Shades of Amour with Jenny's grandparents (sans sadism) (and Ullmann for Huppert). Its the kind of thing that makes me want to re-watch a dozen Bergman features and take note of what he is doing just here. It felt inexaustible.

And to top it off the couple behind me were divided on it - one seemed to like it, the other hated it. That's always funny to me.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 25 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link

In Bergman's book Images, he reveals he thinks he utterly failed with F to F, esp re dreams/reality compared to Wild Strawberries.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link

IB:

Dino di Laurentiis was delighted with the film, which received rave reviews in America. Perhaps it did present something new that had never been tried before. Now when I see Face to Face, I remember an old farce with Bob Hope, Bing Crosby, and Dorothy Lamour. It's called The Road to Morocco (David Butler, 1942). They have been shipwrecked and come floating on a raft in front of a projected New York in the background. In the final scene, Bob Hope throws himself to the ground and begins to scream and foam at the mouth. The others stare at him in astonishment and ask what in the world he is doing. He immediately calms down and says, 'This is how you have to do it if you want to win an Oscar.'

When I see Face to Face and Liv Ullmann's incredibly loyal effort on my behalf, I still can't help thinking on The Road to Morocco.

(Ullmann got the second of her two Oscar nominations for the film.)

http://www.ingmarbergman.se/en/production/face-face

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link

Yeah there was an excerpt of that part from Images in the programme notes.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link


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