Calvin & Hobbes C or D

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C&H = classic
Peanuts = dud

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

no, I don't think bill watterson would let them.

there isn't much calvin and hobbes merchandise, either.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sundar makes me sad.

Watterson has always made it clear that Calvin and Hobbes would not be licensed and essentially took his syndicate to the mat to get that to be the case -- it almost went to court. There is no official C/H merchandise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Unfortunately, whenever I think of Calvin and Hobbes now, I think of that disturbing sex thing that someone posted here a few months ago.

kirsten (kirsten), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes.

:' (

RJG (RJG), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've met jm's dad and it is so troooo.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 April 2003 03:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, right?

jm (jtm), Monday, 14 April 2003 03:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

i never got the adulation and praise.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 April 2003 04:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is because you are a bad person.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 14 April 2003 05:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anthony, "adulation" and "praise" are the same thing.

Bill Watterson had some interesting things to say about Peanuts in the C & H 10th anniversary book. I'll try to dig it out later.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 14 April 2003 05:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

no
they are not.
praise is when you lick the cock and adulation is when you deep throat.

as well,
i dont like it.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 14 April 2003 05:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know a guy who looks just like Calvin's Dad. He looks nothing like *my* Dad tho.

Fave C&H, when they're on the long car journey and Calvin wants to "visit the bathroom", says so and his mother tells him to think of other things. Calvin loudly announces that all he can think of is Niagara Falls and the Hoover Dam, his mother says that now *she* wants to go and the father mutters something abt going on vacation on his own next time!

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 April 2003 06:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Peanuts was great, but it kept going for too long (=until Schulze died). Watterson was the only newspaper comic artist to quit while at the top of his game; even Gary Larson had lost his edge before he retired. Does anyone know what Watterson is up to nowadays?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 April 2003 06:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

some friends of mine thought the Calvin & Hobbes book on my landlord's bookshelf was abt the *other* Calvin & Hobbes. You'd think the cheery typeface on the spine would've told them that it wasn't.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually I kinda like the late Peanuts strips. Sure, they're not as brilliant as the prime 60s/70s stuff, but there is a certain grace and charm to their wobbly line, smaller form, and their awareness that the end of the strip is coming, and that a few things need to be wrapped up (such as the sequence where Charlie Brown finally gets a kiss).

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

would it be fair to say that Peanuts is abt childhood in the sixties and C&H is abt childhood in the eighties? Peanuts = large groups of kids playing unsupervised, C&H = only child playing alone (apart from imaginary friend), being ferried abt by parents ect ect.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Herriman (Krazy Kat) was better than ever in his last years. Watterson quit at just the right moment, I think. I like lots of later Peanuts, especially the last ever football strip (Lucy is called away so she gets Rerun to hold the football for CB, Rerun comes in the house and refuses to say whether he pulled it away or not...), though the jokes were sometimes more impenetrable than Zippy on a good day.

Peanuts never seemed to be taking place anywhere in particular; Calvin obviously had the biggest backyard in the country.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark's point is a good one, but it always seemed odd that Calvin's school interactions were that limited. They lived in a presumably distant suburb of a city; you'd think he'd end up interacting with more than just his neighbor and the bully.

Of course, that would have totally thrown off the dynamics of the strip.

But so yeah: C&H was more about internal escapism, and Peanuts was about social interaction. The thing is, Peanuts also did a good job with internal escapism (especially with Snoopy); C&H's social dynamics never got nearly as complex as Peanuts'.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic Schultz quote:

"We actually had a dog called Snoopy. A real dog. Fans of the strip are not going to like this, but we got rid of him. He fought with other dogs, so we swapped him for a load of gravel."

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the solipsism of C&H though; the fact that he must be voicing his best friend as well as himself and we, as readers, know this, adds a real sense of blissful sadness to the cart rides down the hills and through the streams, or the times when they're just laying together under a tree near the creek. Plus the dynamic of the relationship between C&H is remarkable, it's pure love and comfort between the two of them. Plus it's consistently piss-funny, every single strip.

Favourite strip? Either the one where Calvin burps outrageously at the dinner table and his whole face contorts astonishingly before he says summat like "Better out than in!" and summat else exquisitely unpolite before his mom says "Three strikes and you're out kiddo"; or else the one that's on my desktop wallpaper;

Calvin & Hobbes listening to the radio; Calvin breaks into lengthy spiel...

Calvin - "The problem with rock n roll is that the generation that created it is now the establishment. Rock pretends it's rebellious with it's video posturing, but who believes it? The stars are 45-year-old zillionaires or they endorse soft drinks! The 'revolution' is a capitalist industry! Give me a break! Fortunately, I've found some protest music for today's youth! This stuff really offends mom and dad!"

Hobbes - "Easy-listening muzak?"

Calvin - "I play it real quiet too."

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

BARGE COMING THROUGH!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's the one!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nick, I don't think it should make you feel sad. Calvin isn't "being" Hobbes because he's friendless, or scared - this is his reality, it fulfils him totally.

The only times he seems to want to step outside that reality - the valentine for Suzy scenario - it adds a layer of awkwardness that doesn't really work (tho it's cute, obv), and Watterson says the same.

Totally, unequivocally classic.

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think C&H owes a lot to these characters:

http://www.ksu.edu/english/nelp/images/johnson.books/barnaby_and_mr_omalley.sm.jpeg

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark C - blissfully sad! As in, I wish I had a creek and a tree and a tiger! Not at all a bad thing in any way!

mark s - Can you find any pix of Calvin's snowmen when he goes all avante garde and surrealist? They're so cool...

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perfect!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes == Tweeists
Peanuts == Geezaesthes

When viewed in these terms, the inevitable vistory of C&H is made clear.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Twee? Explain yourself? (it's not.)

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't mean tweeist (biased against twee) , I meant twee.

No, hang on, what d'you mean explain? It's Calvin & Hobbes! It's about the inner world, imaginary friends and so on (apart from the bits about the aliens). IT'S TWEE, ALLRIGHT?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Watterson went to the same college I attended for a couple years (but obviously long before me). Apparantly he didn't talk much and rarely left his dorm room. Makes sense.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Spaceman Spiff is not Twee!
I loved C&H, all I learned in the ways of being smooth was from watching Hobbes move in on Suzie.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Re: whether Calvin & Hobbes is an accurate description of childhood or not- d00d, that totally was my childhood! Tho it's a chicken & the egg thing because I was really into C&H even as a child and Calvin was pretty much my role model during those years. These days when I read 'em it's downright creepy at times because I realise just how gigantic an influence on my personality Calvin has been.

Also-living in a disatant suburb doesn't necesairly make you interact more w/ ppl in sk00l; I did, too, and my social life wasn't much more active than Calvin's.

CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC of course.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nothing about C&H is twee. Twee is a bad word. Twee is affected, pretentious, pathetic, cloying. C&H is honest, naive, joyful, imaginative, dreamlike. Totally different.

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

If that's the case, and Belle & Sebastian aren't twee, then twee has no meaning.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't quite follow how B&S aren't twee.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

B&S got the affected, pretentious and pathetic part down pat, 3 out of 4 twee aint bad.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

the word uncanny was invented for this moment!!

http://www.whirlybird.org.uk/fgs.jpg

(hobbes = in purple)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Waterson says that he had never seen Barnaby until someone brought it to his attention after C&H had been running for years. The possibly-fantasy-friend is not such a rare or extraordinary idea that this is hard to believe.

I think Schulz was a writer of astonishing greatness and Waterson learnt a lot from him, but C&H is funnier and better drawn. The only basis on which I'd nonetheless rate Peanuts above C&H is that there is around five times as much Peanuts. There hasn't been a humour artist as good as Waterson come along in newspaper strips since the form's great heyday in the first half of the 20th Century - Herriman, Segar, Sterrett, maybe a few others (McManus, Capp), though they're the only three I'd confidently rate above Waterson. It's even more extraordinary when you look at the much tighter limitations, the smaller space allowed (there is an excellent C&H about this).

And Hobbes is so adorable. I wish there was a cuddly toy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

wouldn't a calvin and hobbes movie or something with voices be liable to irritate the same hell out of you? i've never liked animated versions of comic strips, that i can recall. anyway, did they ever do anything like this, set voices to Calvin and Hobbes?

As a matter of fact, some independant animator somewhere did do a brief short Calvin & Hobbes film. He sent the film off to Watterson for his approval, and Watterson replied with something along the lines of "I think this is a good film, but I'd rather you not release it or make anymore". So it hasn't been seen by anyone except a chosen few. I think some of the actors who voiced it have the film mentioned on their IMDb entries.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Walt Kelly was a far more accomplished artist than Watterson, Martin - though I actually much prefer C&H to Pogo.

The idea of the possibly brilliant C&H film that no one can see has me ripping my hair out in frustration right now.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ch/1992/ch920408.gif

luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

This strip always reminded me of Krazy Kat in that the words often seemed to be running on an entirely different track as the visuals--and only on the last panel, or perhaps even a second or third reading, does one realize how it might fit together. Also how they have these incredible flights of imagination and fancy and inevitably end on a hilariously prosaic note.

I adored Calvin and Hobbes as a kid and at some point determined it was too sentimental, which it is at times. But I think I'm ready to appreciate it again.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justyn, Kelly was a tremendous artist, but I think I'd still rate Watterson ahead of him, for the energy levels. I'm a very big admirer of C&H in pretty much every respect.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Reviving because of the latest Watterson "where is he now?" update.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, I was flipping through the tenth anniversary collection last night, by chance. As amazing.

"It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

Good timing, as I've been going through the collections again too. Brilliant strip, probably my favourite of all time. I miss it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

My whole theory about him just getting away from it all is simple -- he wants to? Let him. He owes nobody anything beyond his friends and family and my sense has always been that he values them beyond description.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, he's absolutely entitled to quit and do nothing for the rest of his life. He deserves to be rich for ten years of such greatness. Nonetheless, I'd be so pleased if he started it again, or something new.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

holy shit

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 23:57 (one year ago) link

O_O

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 23:58 (one year ago) link

OH DARN

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 00:10 (one year ago) link

Ok!

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 00:18 (one year ago) link

this was not the reason I feared the thread got bumped, thank God.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 00:50 (one year ago) link

This is great. What a legend

hrep (H.P), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 00:51 (one year ago) link

lol yeah him dying seemed way more likely than him releasing something

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 00:51 (one year ago) link

Hmm:

For the book's illustrations, Watterson and caricaturist John Kascht worked together for several years in unusually close collaboration. Both artists abandoned their past ways of working, inventing images together that neither could anticipate—a mysterious process in its own right.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 00:52 (one year ago) link

Wow, this is cool!

I finally got the collected C+H for xmas after hinting about it for like a decade. I kinda wanted the hardcovers buuuut the softcover box set somehow weighs like 413 lbs so I'm ultimately glad that I received a version I will hopefully be able to physically wield in my dotage

Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 01:57 (one year ago) link

man, this looks and sounds very odd!

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:14 (one year ago) link

TBH the cover image looks a lot like an AI with a medieval prompt, just saying, but I am super intrigued by the concept.

Evan, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link

We need more oddness out there, and sort of a bummer that the first thing that might come to mind is “AI prompt” when talking about that art but I understand that this is where we’re at these days.

omar little, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 16:16 (one year ago) link

I acknowledge the bombardment of AI lately influences me, but that image in particular really brought me there immediately (not just due to "weirdness" factor, either, I consume plenty of objectively weird current outsider comics).

Evan, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 19:16 (one year ago) link

Can someone make for me a picture of that scared dude pissing on a Tesla logo, thnx.

pplains, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link

this book sounds p bad

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 11:22 (one year ago) link

Oh so you're the guy

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link

literally nothing about it sounds good and the cover is not helping!

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link

I'm definitely curious about the book, but I'm also reminded of what he said in The Calvin & Hobbes 10th Anniversary Book: "Graphic novels are incredibly stupid."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link

What about it sounds bad? I mean from the description it could also be good.

omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link

Separately I have a really really distinct memory as a kid of the very first Calvin and Hobbes strip in the newspaper. I would read the comic section every morning religiously, and even as a 10-year-old or maybe even especially as a 10-year-old I recognized immediately that this was a cut above everything else. That and peanuts were my top two for life from then on.

omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link

bloom county and far side to complete the late 80s set imo

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link

I’ve got the same collection of C&H books I started acquiring with babysitting money as a child and BW is one of those guys where despite my love for C&H I’m just not interested in the new material. I thought about why and I think it’s partly the fear that he turns out to be personally dodgy in a way that ruins his work for me (cf Morrissey) and also, it just doesn’t seem intrinsically that interesting compared to the stuff I know him for.

better than whoever you are (gyac), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link

Pulled a few boxes of books out of the basement last week and realized I had the first 3 big C&H anthologies down there. When I unpack the boxes again I'm gonna dive into those for sure.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link

loved those treasuries back in the day, even though i also had most of the 'regular' books.... having the color Sundays and the bonus stories was great. iirc, Watterson sort of rolls his eyes at those publications in the must-own Tenth Anniversary book, pointing out that he named them The Essential, The Indispensable, and The Authoritative "since the books were obviously none of these things."

i'm periodically tempted by the idea of owning The Complete paperback set. somehow though it feels like something would be lost not having things grouped under "Yukon Ho!" and "Scientific Progress Goes Boink."

got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link

Separately I have a really really distinct memory as a kid of the very first Calvin and Hobbes strip in the newspaper. I would read the comic section every morning religiously, and even as a 10-year-old or maybe even especially as a 10-year-old I recognized immediately that this was a cut above everything else. That and peanuts were my top two for life from then on.

― omar little, Wednesday, February 22, 2023 12:10 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I remember that, too! I was immediately struck by the design of the characters -- Calvin's Pac-Man mouth, mainly -- and how clever it was right out of the gate. I mean, the first week or so of C&H was exponentially more funny and creative than the previous 10-15 years of Beetle Bailey or Garfield or whatever combined. It felt like risks were being taken, and apart from Bloom County and The Far Side (as Tracer Hand pointed out), few other (if any) late '80s strips had that spirit.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link

The only strips that come even close to C&H are Peanuts and Pogo.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link

the artwork and lettering on pogo probably better than those two; C&H owes a big debt to walt kelly for those heavily inked stumps and trees and crags he was so fond of

pogo really so amazing. not sure any other comic has a book of sheet music?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 19:15 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

There are few things in this world I enjoy as much as the small moments in Calvin and Hobbes when Calvin’s parents do something that make it clear that Calvin got his entire personality from them (even the parts that drive them crazy) https://t.co/CPzcXPN69T pic.twitter.com/GBEACE1eOO

— Billie Takespeare (@maynardgang) December 16, 2023

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:16 (four months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBeIDqtXwAAf_3u?format=jpg&name=medium

In case strip doesn’t show in preview

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:17 (four months ago) link

Calvin’s parents the undeniable heroes of C&H. The strips with Calvin’s dad having a nightmare of a family holiday just ruin me

https://i.postimg.cc/X7GbyvQb/IMG-4358.jpg

H.P, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:39 (four months ago) link

Same

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:40 (four months ago) link

It’s amazing how invested the strip gets you

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:40 (four months ago) link


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